Change default page order when printing booklet

[Zixiong WANG]

Hi,

When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2, 7),
(6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).

But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's show
by Publisher when in edition mode.

We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).

But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.

Do you have any idea ?

Thanks in advance.

--
Zixiong WANG

[Mary Sauer]

Yes, get the real McCoy... i.e. Adobe Acrobat

--
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"Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
> appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2, 7),
> (6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).
>
> But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
> sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's show
> by Publisher when in edition mode.
>
> We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).
>
> But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.
>
> Do you have any idea ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Zixiong WANG
>
>
>

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

Mary having the full fair dinkum version of Adobe Acrobat is not going to
help.

You will have to change the Page Setup from Booklet to Normal.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[Zixiong WANG]

So it's a problem of printer, not that of Publisher ?

The printer prints what's sent by Publisher, if Publisher sends pages 8 and
1 for a sheet, how can the printer prints other way ? even it's the "real
McCoy" ?

By the way, we have also PDFwriter from Adobe, that don't solves the
problem.

Thanks.

"Mary Sauer" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> Yes, get the real McCoy... i.e. Adobe Acrobat
>
> --
> Mary Sauer MS MVP
> http://office.microsoft.com/
> http://www.mvps.org/msauer/
> news://msnews.microsoft.com
> "Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
> > appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2,
7),
> > (6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).
> >
> > But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
> > sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's
show
> > by Publisher when in edition mode.
> >
> > We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).
> >
> > But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.
> >
> > Do you have any idea ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --
> > Zixiong WANG
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Mike Koewler]

Mary,

I hate to bring this up, but PP will let you create a pdf for printing
or viewing, IOW, 1-8, 7-2, etc., or 1, 2, 3, etc. Plus, it's a lot
cheaper than Acrobat.

Mike

Mary Sauer wrote:
> Yes, get the real McCoy... i.e. Adobe Acrobat
>

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

Zixiong the real McCoy died a long time ago.

Having the full version of Adobe does not fix this issue.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

Mike PagePlus has the option to print as straight pages or as Booklet form.
The other thing that PagePlus beats everything hands down, is in converting
from paper to PDF and then to web. PagePlus retains all the columns and
formatting perfectly.
http://www.serif.com/pageplus/pageplus9/index.asp

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

Change your Page Setup to Normal.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[Don Schmidt]

Recently I created a Pub file, converted it to pdf and it prints it out in
the same order as the pub file. I use the commercial pdf converting
program, PDF-XChange.

The have a trial version if you are interested. See below for the address.

--
Don
-------
We use PDF-XChange for our pdf needs. It's available at:
http://www.docu-track.com


"Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
> appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2, 7),
> (6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).
>
> But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
> sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's show
> by Publisher when in edition mode.
>
> We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).
>
> But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.
>
> Do you have any idea ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Zixiong WANG
>
>
>

[Mary Sauer]

I have Acrobat, when I need a booklet in a PDF, I simply choose eBook. it prints
exactly the way Publisher has it laid out. I have the advantage of a duplexer,
however you do have the option of odd-even printing. There are so many options in
Acrobat...

--
Mary Sauer MS MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://www.mvps.org/msauer/
news://msnews.microsoft.com
"Mike Koewler" > wrote in message ...
> Mary,
>
> I hate to bring this up, but PP will let you create a pdf for printing
> or viewing, IOW, 1-8, 7-2, etc., or 1, 2, 3, etc. Plus, it's a lot
> cheaper than Acrobat.
>
> Mike
>
> Mary Sauer wrote:
> > Yes, get the real McCoy... i.e. Adobe Acrobat
> >
>

[Zixiong WANG]

How PDF-XCahnge can do better than other PDF printer when Publisher sent
(8,1), (2,7),... and you must print (1), (2,3) ... ?

"Don Schmidt" <Retired > a écrit dans le message de
...
> Recently I created a Pub file, converted it to pdf and it prints it out in
> the same order as the pub file. I use the commercial pdf converting
> program, PDF-XChange.
>
> The have a trial version if you are interested. See below for the
address.
>
> --
> Don
> -------
> We use PDF-XChange for our pdf needs. It's available at:
> http://www.docu-track.com
>
>
> "Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
> > appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2,
7),
> > (6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).
> >
> > But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
> > sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's
show
> > by Publisher when in edition mode.
> >
> > We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).
> >
> > But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.
> >
> > Do you have any idea ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --
> > Zixiong WANG
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Zixiong WANG]

But in my case, in the generated PDF file, the pages are already in 8-1, 2-7
order (2 pages on one sheet). I suppose that your method works if there is
only one page / sheet. Am I right ?

"Mary Sauer" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> I have Acrobat, when I need a booklet in a PDF, I simply choose eBook. it
prints
> exactly the way Publisher has it laid out. I have the advantage of a
duplexer,
> however you do have the option of odd-even printing. There are so many
options in
> Acrobat...
>
> --
> Mary Sauer MS MVP
> http://office.microsoft.com/
> http://www.mvps.org/msauer/
> news://msnews.microsoft.com
> "Mike Koewler" > wrote in message
...
> > Mary,
> >
> > I hate to bring this up, but PP will let you create a pdf for printing
> > or viewing, IOW, 1-8, 7-2, etc., or 1, 2, 3, etc. Plus, it's a lot
> > cheaper than Acrobat.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mary Sauer wrote:
> > > Yes, get the real McCoy... i.e. Adobe Acrobat
> > >
> >
>
>

[Zixiong WANG]

I didn't know PagePlus. It replaces Publisher or works together with
Publisher (as a virtual printer for exemple) ?

"°°°MS°Publisher°°°" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> Mike PagePlus has the option to print as straight pages or as Booklet
form.
> The other thing that PagePlus beats everything hands down, is in
converting
> from paper to PDF and then to web. PagePlus retains all the columns and
> formatting perfectly.
> http://www.serif.com/pageplus/pageplus9/index.asp
>
> --
>
> "If you don't know where you are going,
> any road will take you there!"
>
>

[Mike Koewler]

It's a completely different DTP program, though it has some similarities
to Pub.

Mike

Zixiong WANG wrote:
> I didn't know PagePlus. It replaces Publisher or works together with
> Publisher (as a virtual printer for exemple) ?
>
> "°°°MS°Publisher°°°" > a écrit dans le message de
> ...
>
>>Mike PagePlus has the option to print as straight pages or as Booklet
>
> form.
>
>>The other thing that PagePlus beats everything hands down, is in
>
> converting
>
>>from paper to PDF and then to web. PagePlus retains all the columns and
>>formatting perfectly.
>>http://www.serif.com/pageplus/pageplus9/index.asp
>>
>>--
>>
>>"If you don't know where you are going,
>>any road will take you there!"
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Don Schmidt]

Maybe I misunderstood the goal. I thought the goal was to print a booklet
from a pdf file.

If you want to print sequential pages not in booklet form, change the
original file from booklet to sequential sheets. If the obstacle is you are
starting with a pdf file and want pages in sequential pages, then the Tools
that comes with PDF-XChange would do the trick.


--
Don
--------
Vancouver, USA - One of the great cities in one of the 45+ countries in the
Americas!


"Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
...
> How PDF-XCahnge can do better than other PDF printer when Publisher sent
> (8,1), (2,7),... and you must print (1), (2,3) ... ?
>
> "Don Schmidt" <Retired > a écrit dans le message de
> ...
> > Recently I created a Pub file, converted it to pdf and it prints it out
in
> > the same order as the pub file. I use the commercial pdf converting
> > program, PDF-XChange.
> >
> > The have a trial version if you are interested. See below for the
> address.
> >
> > --
> > Don
> > -------
> > We use PDF-XChange for our pdf needs. It's available at:
> > http://www.docu-track.com
> >
> >
> > "Zixiong WANG" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > When you print a booklet, Publisher puts automatically pages in the
> > > appropriate order (ex: for a 8 pages booklet, the order is (8, 1), (2,
> 7),
> > > (6, 3), (4, 5), and each couple of pages are on a same sheet).
> > >
> > > But we want to create the same booklet in PDF format, so we need a
> > > sequential order : (1), (2, 3), (4, 5), (6, 7), (8), just like what's
> show
> > > by Publisher when in edition mode.
> > >
> > > We create PDF by printing on a PDF virtual printer (pdf995).
> > >
> > > But we can't tell Publisher to output in our needed order.
> > >
> > > Do you have any idea ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Zixiong WANG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

If you change the option back to NORMAL it will put everything in the
correct page order.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[Zixiong WANG]

Ok, so I have to choose Normal instead of booklet format.

Yes, in normal format, I can choose what ever page order, but I get another
problem : I can't print two A5 pages on one A4 sheet without page reduction.

When my document is of A4 format, I need only choose "2 pages on one sheet"
in one of Acrobote Distiller's option, then all my A4 pages are reduced by
50% and 2 pages are put on one A4 sheet.

With my A5 page format, I'v tried all combinaisons of page and paper
orientation, when I successfully put 2 A5 pages on one A4 sheet, they got
reduced.

So my problem is :
When using booklet format (A5 when closed, A4 when open), I get the good
page size (A5), 2 A5 pages on one A4 sheet, but not the good page order.
When using normal format (A5 pages), I get good page order, but I can't get
the good page size when I print two A5 pages on one A4 sheet.

Thanks in advance for your help.

"°°°MS°Publisher°°°" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> If you change the option back to NORMAL it will put everything in the
> correct page order.
>
> --
>
> "If you don't know where you are going,
> any road will take you there!"
>
>

[Ed Bennett]

A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
Zixiong WANG >!"...
> With my A5 page format, I'v tried all combinaisons of page and paper
> orientation, when I successfully put 2 A5 pages on one A4 sheet, they
> got reduced.

You need to select A5 page size under File > Page Setup > Printer and Paper.
If Distiller can't do it properly then, then you might need to use something
like FinePrint 2000 from www.fineprint.com

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm

[Zixiong WANG]

I'v set 148x210 (A5) in page size, A4 in paper size of printer. Tried
portait or landscape, one or 2 page per sheet, etc.

When you want to print 2 pages on one sheet, you can :
- tell Publisher to arrange pages or
- tell printer to arrange pages

The problem is that Publisher has bundled settings : with booklet, 2 pages
are on one sheet, but page order is fixed ; with normal format, order is
flexible, but you can only arrange to print 2 copies of the SAME page on one
sheet, but not consequentive pages.

When you tell PDF virtual printer to put 2 pages on one sheet, it operates a
50% reduction on your pages.

Can you tell FinePrint to assemble 2 pages output by Publisher on one final
sheet ?

Thanks,

"Ed Bennett" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
> Zixiong WANG >!"...
> > With my A5 page format, I'v tried all combinaisons of page and paper
> > orientation, when I successfully put 2 A5 pages on one A4 sheet, they
> > got reduced.
>
> You need to select A5 page size under File > Page Setup > Printer and
Paper.
> If Distiller can't do it properly then, then you might need to use
something
> like FinePrint 2000 from www.fineprint.com
>
> --
> Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
> http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
> Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
> http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm
>
>

[Ed Bennett]

A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
Zixiong WANG >!"...
> I'v set 148x210 (A5) in page size, A4 in paper size of printer. Tried
> portait or landscape, one or 2 page per sheet, etc.

I know you have.
Which is why I said to set **A5** page size in File > Page Setup > Printer
and Paper.

If you do that, then Acrobat or FinePrint or anything apart from Publisher
will assemble them two-to-a-page.
Distiller was reducing them because each A4 page had an A5 page slap bang in
the middle. So when it stuck two-to-a-page, then it reduced each A4 down to
an A5, leaving the gaps and the reductions.
If you use the A5 page sie in your printer settings, then it will come out
in a format assemblable by other applications.

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm

[Zixiong WANG]

Thanks for your responses.

When I set A5 paper size, Publisher prints all pages out (one A5 page per A5
sheet) senquentially to PDF file. But I can't figure out how Acrobat or
FinePrint knows how to assemble them two-to-a-page ? who instructs them to
do that ?

In fact, with these setting, I get simply A5 format pages in Acrobat. I can
of cause show pages in side-by-side mode in Acrobat, which is very similar
to Publisher's edition view of booklet. But it's just a view mode, each page
is still on a separated sheet. If the person who gets my PDF trys to view it
in normal mode, he'll not get the views I need, pictures spanning two pages
will be cut, he'll see only a half of the picture on each page.

Except you can merge two A5 pages in one A4 inside Acrobat or FinePrint ? I
don't know if it's possible.

Thanks.

"Ed Bennett" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
> Zixiong WANG >!"...
> > I'v set 148x210 (A5) in page size, A4 in paper size of printer. Tried
> > portait or landscape, one or 2 page per sheet, etc.
>
> I know you have.
> Which is why I said to set **A5** page size in File > Page Setup > Printer
> and Paper.
>
> If you do that, then Acrobat or FinePrint or anything apart from Publisher
> will assemble them two-to-a-page.
> Distiller was reducing them because each A4 page had an A5 page slap bang
in
> the middle. So when it stuck two-to-a-page, then it reduced each A4 down
to
> an A5, leaving the gaps and the reductions.
> If you use the A5 page sie in your printer settings, then it will come out
> in a format assemblable by other applications.
>
> --
> Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
> http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
> Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
> http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm
>
>

[Ed Bennett]

A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
Zixiong WANG >!"...
> When I set A5 paper size, Publisher prints all pages out (one A5 page
> per A5 sheet) senquentially to PDF file. But I can't figure out how
> Acrobat or FinePrint knows how to assemble them two-to-a-page ? who
> instructs them to do that ?

You would use the same setting as you were using before to get two pages to
a sheet in Distiller, or in FinePrint.

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

You can do anything you want within Acrobat.
Re-arrange pages and sizes and anything you will need to do.
Learn to use Acrobat correctly.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[Zixiong WANG]

I don't know very well Acrobat, but an expert told me that Acrobat can't
merge 2 A5 pages on one A4 page.

He told me that with a 3rd party tool like Quite Imposing, it's OK. (but you
must pay another $325 !)
http://www.pdfstore.com/details.asp?ProdID=35.

Could you confirm what you said ?

Thanks.

"°°°MS°Publisher°°°" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> You can do anything you want within Acrobat.
> Re-arrange pages and sizes and anything you will need to do.
> Learn to use Acrobat correctly.
>
> --
>
> "If you don't know where you are going,
> any road will take you there!"
>
>

[°°°MS°Publisher°°°]

Trust me, you can open another instance of Acrobat and do everything you
want.

--

"If you don't know where you are going,
any road will take you there!"

[TomAL]

Go to Page Setup , click on 'Change page Order', check the option 'Print one
page per sheet' and then print the publication to PDF and you get it in the
order you want.