Steve,
I apologize for the "idiot" remark. It wasn't appropriate in any public
forum. I should have limited myself to criticizing your posts and not your
person.

Your posts in this thread incensed me like none others ever have in the
past.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
You are a complete idiot! I just searched for the thread you quoted from
Ken Snell. The thread subject was "i need a pro". How can you even suggest
that what you do compares with Ken's reply? Do you have no common sense?
Can't you tell the difference between a OP who comes looking for free
advice and someone who comes expecting to pay?

The full text of the message Ken replied to:
"hi all, is there a site that has a list of pros that will actually set
up microsoft access for me. i need it set up for my small business
and it is far too complicated for me. i live in the northern kentucky
area about 50 miles south of cincinnati ohio. thanks for any replies
an have a nice holiday weekend"

In another reply in the same thread, the OP stated:
"..and then they could have an idea as to what they should charge me. "

Here's a little test. Rate the following on the appropriateness offering
to provide paid contracting services:

Subject 1: i need a pro
Subject 2: Multidimensional Forms/Tables

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
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Duane,

I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the
newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a
prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have
always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have
developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I
have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way
intended to put you down.

None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and
therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct
and the pertinent part states:
"We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations
that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the
newsgroup or chat."

Nonetheless, here is my response ---

As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me
at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My
fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again
it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a
resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access
is the same type of advertising. So is the following:
o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP"
o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs."
o "John Viescas, author
"Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!)
"Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out"
"Running Microsoft Access 2000"
"SQL Queries for Mere Mortals"
o David Lloyd
MCSD .NET
http://LemingtonConsulting.com
The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the
newsgroups.

In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to
post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from
others besides myself. Consider the following:
genenky -
You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what
you're seeking to do.-

Ken Snell
MS ACCESS MVP

No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is
an MVP?

In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an
infrequent responder:
"A Christian Response
http://www.pastornet.net.au/response"

Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access.
You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body
of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising
that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for
help with Access problems.

In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes
of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their
malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you
keep silent rather than trying to support them.

Thanks, Duane,

Steve



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I did a quick search of google:
"NewsGroup" etiquette advertise

First Hit
=========================
http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm
Don't Spam
Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post
advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept
adverts.

Second Hit
=========================
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html
Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder
or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just
think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by
a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate
commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it.

Third Hit
==========================
http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm
DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad,
it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be
taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will
guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do
not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I
have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may
find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups.

Fourth Hit
==========================
http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html
6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to
highlight your business or company information, but don't be
ostentatious..


--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
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Doug,

I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My
intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking
you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers
of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited?

Steve


"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in
message ...
These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial
business.

You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people,
yet you still persist.

Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore
everyone?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
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Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug.


"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in
message ...
You just don't get it, do you Steve?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
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Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help
with this. My fees are very reasonable.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com