Peebs-
I feel badly for any problems you are having if my suggestion set them up.
I appreciate that every office reference on the web, experienced users,
quality sites, MVPs, and books recommend always installing the older
version of Office and any of its apps *first* including the relatively user
friendly setup of MOS 2003 for coexisting versions of Office. This is
probably mentioned in a number of scatterd MSKBs, and I looked for an
explanation of *why* this is generally necessary but couldn't find one.
Maybe someone will offer this.
Since I haven't had the problem you described with several different Office
2003 and XP toolbar installations, I didn't think you would.
Also there is a valid caveat to make sure you don't install Office where
there is limited free space on the drive because Office setup requires a lot
of extra space to work with temporary files.
Your point as to why they just don't include the options for these old tools
that people are fond of or need very badly for their day to day work like
the Visual keyboard for you is very well taken. I wish they would make them
available, allowing Office to be more versatile for people rather than to
just eliminate features they have grown to use and need. There is an Office
feedback mechanism:
http://office.microsoft.com/assistan...8391033&CTT=98
I know that I used a download of Office Sounds for Outlook that was labled
for previous versions of Office, 2000 and XP and it worked fine and, I asked
first if anyone was having problems and several people said it was working
fine. I wonder if you can download the Viasual keyboard and this would
work?
Office XP/2000 Add-in: Microsoft Visual Keyboard Download:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
Automatically Switch Keyboard Languages:
http://office.microsoft.com/assistan...EP%2cDC%2 cXT
Use Visual Keyboard to work with different keyboard layouts:
http://office.microsoft.com/assistan...EP%2cDC%2 cXT
Use a keyboard layout for a specific language
http://office.microsoft.com/assistan...EP% 2cDC%2cXT
Marc B.--
I understand and appreciate your method as a very useful alternative for
people to accomplish installing some of the older version tools. I also
wonder if during setup you could use one of the tools from the Resource kit
to preserve the tools from XP or a particular tool from an older version.
This would accomplish having any component of an older version installed
first if that impacts problems like Peebs.
There have been 2 or 3 other successful methods posted in this group
recently (in the last 2-4 weeks). I think it would be worthwhile for MSFT
to cull these methods (like yours) and perhaps post them on their site and
in an MSKB so that people could get use these older features problem free
with MOS 2003 or the next version. There seems to be a palpable ground
swell of requests to do this, and I'll do my best to make suggestions in
whatever venue I can find. There are mechanisms as you probably know within
MOS 2003 and on the site besides MS Wish to send suggestions.
Office Feedback Mechanism
http://office.microsoft.com/assistan...8391033&CTT=98
Also it is obvious that you can set up a quick launch toolbar to simulate
the toolbar, or right click drag and drop a shortcut to the desktop or
folder for running Office applications, opening documents or displaying
programs. . You can double click the shortcut in Explorer, a folder
window, or the Windows desktop. You can drag shortcuts for Office programs
or documents to your start menu or any folder. Exceptions would be Office
tools like MSFT Graph and MSFT Equation, called OLEs (object linking and
embedding servers) that can be run only when an object is embeded in an
Office doc instead of as stand-alones.
Running Multiple Versions of Microsoft Office with Office 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/default...roduct=off2003
From the above KB 828956:
*Order of Installation*
"If you want to install and use more than one version of Office on the same
computer, you must install the earliest version first. For example, if you
want to use both Office 97 and Microsoft Office XP on the same computer,
install Office 97 first. You must follow this step because of the way that
registry keys, shared programs, file extensions, and other settings are
managed for each version of Office, and for the programs that are included
with each version of Office."
I know that for example, in Office 2000 keeping separate versions requires
that you specify a different location for program files, and I have seen a
lot of reflex posts on newsgroups to do this in Office 2003. But in fact,
Office 2003 does not require this. The Windows installer for MOS 2003 will
take care of this. I have read ( for example in Woody Leonhard's Que book
on Office) that there are some caveats and here are three he mentions
paraphrased:
1) Launching documents icons launches the MOS 2003 version of the program;
to open a document in Word 2K you have to open Word 2K first. 2) There
could be file format incompatibilities. 3) Because of VBA changes, object
models or capabilities, macros created in MOS 2003 may not work properly
when opened in other Office versions.
Chad Harris
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"Peebs" wrote in message
...
Hi Chad,
I needed the Visual Keyboard - I work in two languages. I am using Office
2003. When I tried to install the k/b I got a message saying that i could
not install the k/b because I did not have and Office 2000 installed so I
tried just what you did. I installed a couple of tools from Office 2000
and was then able to install the Key Board. All was well until I tried to
answer an email in Outlook. Although I had selected Word 2003 as my
default editor I got a message that Word 2003 was not available and
Outlook was launching its own editor. I think that when I installed Office
2003/ tools I somehow made Word 2003 invisable to Outlook 2003.
I am going to try uninstalling Office 2003 in total and then reinstall it
to see if the last man in sets the key.
What i don't understand is just why MS discontinue popular add ins like
Tool bar and Visual Key Board from the latest version of Office.
"Chad Harris" wrote:
Mark
I haven't had any trouble every time I've tried to get the OSB from
Office
XP to coexist with the Tools from MOS 2003, by simply installing MOS2003,
then in Office XP's setup selecting the SB or any/all the tools from XP.
They work fine. I didn't have to go to the registry; but I'm sure some
keys/values were added. I'm trying to understand, since you didn't use
this
method what you did.
Chad Harris
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"Marc Bressman" wrote in message
...
I, like so many of the rest of you out there, was very disappointed
when I
found out that there was no office shortcut bar (OSB) after my upgrade
to
Office 2003. After looking through these newsgroups, searching the
web,
and
trying several alternative solutions (Windows built-in toolbar
functionality, jetToolBar), I decided that I needed to get back the
Office
XP Shortcut Bar. After much searching and testing, I believe I've
discovered a way for the Office XP Shortcut Bar to work with Office
2003
without having to actually install the OSB via the Office XP Setup
Program.
Before I go any further though, my particular solution might not work
for
everyone (and I take no responsibility for problems that result from
trying
this solution - use it at your own risk), specifically because I
originally
had Office XP (with the OSB installed) and in my attempts to find a
work-around, I also ended up installing and then uninstalling the OSB
that
comes with Office 97 (this was after my upgrade and loss of the Office
XP
OSB). However, if you're interested in trying out my solution, then
here
is
what you need to do:
First, if you didn't initially have Office XP with the OSB installed,
there
are probably registry keys that you need to add to the registry. I
don't
know exactly what keys are necessary (since for me, they were all there
already from my previous Office XP installation), but if you need some
help,
you can email me and I might be able to point you in the right
direction
or
provide some help.
Second, the following files from an Office XP installation need to be
put
back into the following directories (please note - I don't know if all
or
even most of these files are necessary; I discovered that these were
the
files that were created when I attempted to install Office XP with only
the
OSB and nothing else):
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\AW.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\BIDI32.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\HLP95EN.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\INTLDATE.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\MSOFFICE.EXE
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\MSOHEV.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\MSOHTMED.EXE
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\MSOSTYLE.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\MULTIQ.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\OSA.EXE
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\REFEDIT.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\SAEXT.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\SEQCHK10.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\THDIC.LEX
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\TRIGRAM.LEX
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\UCSCRIBE.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\WDBIMP.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\EULA10R.CHM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\FEEDBACK.HTM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\ID_028.DHS
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\ID_028.DPC
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\MSO.ACL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\MSOHELP.EXE
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\MSOHLP10.CHM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\MSOLANG.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\OBALLOON.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\OFMAIN10.CHM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\OFREAD10.HTM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\OFTIP10.HLP
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\OSBINTL.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\PSS10O.CHM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\PSS10R.CHM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\1033\SETUP.HLP
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\THANKYOU.HTM
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\DataServices\+Connect to New Data Source.odc
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\DataServices\+New SQL Server Connection.odc
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\DataServices\DATACONN.HTC
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\DataServices\DESKTOP.INI
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\1033\DataServices\FOLDER.ICO
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut
Bar\Office10\Migration\MIGRATE.DLL
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\Shortcut
Bar\Office\New Office Document
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\Shortcut
Bar\Office\Open Office Document
C:\program files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\Shortcut
Bar\Office\Screen Saver
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\CDO\CDOEX.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\MSSADMIN.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\MSSADMWS.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\MSSERROR.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\mssrchadm.inf
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\mssrchadm.inf
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Bin\SrchAdmStp.exe
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\MSSearch\Common\MSSITLB.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\CTRYINFO.TXT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\DW.EXE
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\MSO7FTP.EXE
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\MSO7FTPA.EXE
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\MSO7FTPS.EXE
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\MSO.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\MSOICONS.EXE
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\RICHED20.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\UCS20.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\USP10.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Office10\1033\DWINTL.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft
Shared\Office10\1033\MSOINTL.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\MSVCP60.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMAXCTL.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMCDO.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMCORE.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMFORMS.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMRES.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMSSTLB.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMTEMPL.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PKMTRACE.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\PROMDEMO.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\SECMGR.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\VAIDDMGR.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web Folders\VAIMEM.DLL
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\CATEGORY.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\CLASSICF.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\MANAGMNT.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\SCHEMA.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\SEARCH.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\SMARTF.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\WORKSPC.HTT
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\Images\APPR.GIF
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\Images\COUT.GIF
C:\program files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Web
Folders\1033\WebView\Images\PEND.GIF
Third, you'll need to put the following shortcut into your startup
menu:
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office Shortcut Bar\Office10\OSA.EXE" -b -l
You should probably name this shortcut "Microsoft Office"
One known issue is that the Office 2003 Icons don't display entirely
correctly in the Office XP OSB. It apparently can't display all the
colors,
and as a result, the icons look very washed out and pretty bad in my
opinion. You might want to try and recover the icons from the Office
XP
program executables and use those instead. Also, it appears as if the
OSB
pulls some of its icons from the following location: C:\Documents and
Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\Microsoft\Office\Shortcut
Bar\Office
Now, if everything worked correctly, when you launch that shortcut, you
should see the Office XP OSB, and upon each reboot the OSB should
automatically launch. Of course, like I said earlier, I don't know if
this
will work for everyone, but I figured I'd at least post my results and
solution. If anyone has any comments or suggestions regarding this
possible
solution, I'd love to hear them. Hope this helps some of you out
there!!
- marc