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"People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access
related problem. Sometimes they get no response; therefore no solution."
Fat chance Steve when you respond with your plug so quickly. Or do you
really believe those who volunteer their expertise here are, like you,
waiting to pounce on a post?
I'll say one thing Steve. You provide plenty of entertainment. Given the
repetitious diatribes you put out you are obviously not too busy. Get a
life mate. You have no chance of scoring any points here.
Your begging for work here rings like an encyclopaedia door-to-door
salesman.
Oh, and as you will have gathered from my previous post, why do you not
sign your questions to the newsgroups the same way you sign your
questions? Questions, I figure, you already know the answers to?
PC Datasheet wrote:
Answer one question:
Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free
advice/support?
People come to the newsgroups looking for a solution to an Access related
problem. Some times they get no response; therefore no solution. Sometimes
they get a long winded response that provides no solution. Some times they
get a response that is beyond their ability and therefore are unable to
implement the solution. Some times the response is so poorly written that it
is incomprehensible. Some times the response is written so illogically that
it is too hard for the average user to understand. Some times the solution
being sought is beyond what can reasonably be expected to be given for free.
Some times they get a response offering fee-based help. The poster has the
option to contact me if he so chooses. Many do because the need for the
solution justifies paying for a solution! My fees are very reasonable and
these posters are happy to receive my fee-based help. So where else do you
think these posters could go to receive a quick solution for a reasonable
fee?
I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long
and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor.
So, you are agreeing that it is OK to offer fee-based services under certain
conditions. Well that is just what I am doing! To paraphrase your words a
little, when I think that it is clear that the poster is not going to be
able to solve his problem from the newsgroup, then I consider offering him
the option of fee-based help. And not every response I make is one offering
fee-based help. On at least a ten to one ratio, I provide free
advice/support over offering fee-based help. In a vast majority of me free
responses, I also take the time to provide a very good quality response. I
try to provide all the details the poster needs. Since some time ago when an
MVP suggested that I clearly say that my offer for help is fee-based, I have
tried to follow that suggestion.
Answer three questions ---
1. You are an Access expert and could answer any question posted. Why don't
you answer the posts that receive no response?
2. Why don't you respond to the posts that you know the poster is not going
to solve his problem from the responses he received?
3. What if any problems do you see being caused by my offering fee-based
help to limited posters in the newsgroups?
Steve
PC Datasheet
"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
You just don't get it. I have only criticized you when your entire post is
an offer to provide contract/paid services. In this case, you did this in
a post not even 90 minutes old.
I have never objected to your (or anyone else's) signature line (at least
not that I recall). I have even defended you in threads where your only
suggestion of selling services was your signature.
I don't recall Ken's reply but I expect you are taking it out of context.
I could be wrong but I doubt it. Ken certainly did not reply as you did
fishing for work on a brand new thread.
I would not have criticized you if this thread was about 10 replies long
and it was clear that the OP needed to find a contractor.
I rarely if ever see replies like some of yours that jump on a brand new
thread with an offer to provide consulting services. It may happen more
than I have noticed but you must admit that you blatantly advertise or ask
for business more than any other poster by a large margin. I don't read
all the Access related NGs but if score was kept in the ones I frequent,
you wouldn't have any competition.
Answer one question:
Do you not think that people come to these News Groups looking for free
advice/support?
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Duane,
I will preface what I have to say with, I have been reading the
newsgroups for many years and all that time you have stood out as a
prominent figure. I can say as a fact that everything that you have
always had to say was said in a very professional way. From that I have
developed great respect for you and continue to feel that respect. What I
have to say is meant to be in the spirit of that respect and is no way
intended to put you down.
None of what you quoted here comes from the Rulse Of Conduct and
therefore does not apply. The Rules Of Conduct are found at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ga...RulesofConduct
and the pertinent part states:
"We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations
that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the
newsgroup or chat."
Nonetheless, here is my response ---
As far as advertising, please explain in concrete terms how "Contact me
at my email address below if you would like outside help with this. My
fees are very reasonable" is advertising. My sig is advertising but again
it pertains to the purpose of the newsgroups to provide Access users a
resource for help with Access related problems. Duane Hookom, MS Access
is the same type of advertising. So is the following:
o "MVPDoug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP"
o "See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs."
o "John Viescas, author
"Building Microsoft Access Applications" (Coming Soon!)
"Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out"
"Running Microsoft Access 2000"
"SQL Queries for Mere Mortals"
o David Lloyd
MCSD .NET
http://LemingtonConsulting.com
The above are a very small example of what you see daily on the
newsgroups.
In terms of Contact me if you would like help, I am not the only one to
post this type of post. Every once in a while you will see offers from
others besides myself. Consider the following:
genenky -
You can contact me via www.cadellsoftware.org and we can discuss what
you're seeking to do.-
Ken Snell
MS ACCESS MVP
No one posts derogatory responses to these others. Is it because Ken is
an MVP?
In terms of advertising, consider the following in the sig line of an
infrequent responder:
"A Christian Response
http://www.pastornet.net.au/response"
Check out the web address. It has absolutely nothing to do with Access.
You see other adverts like this and adverts that are directly in the body
of the post. None of the above are ever taken to task for advertising
that obviously does not pertain to providing Access users a resource for
help with Access problems.
In conclusion, I want to ask that you drop out of the crowd of the likes
of Arno R, Keith Wilby, Randy Harris and others and defend me from their
malicious attacks. If you are not willing to do this then I ask that you
keep silent rather than trying to support them.
Thanks, Duane,
Steve
"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I did a quick search of google:
"NewsGroup" etiquette advertise
First Hit
=========================
http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/...oupmanners.htm
Don't Spam
Spamming is e-mailing or posting unsolicited advertising. Never post
advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to accept
adverts.
Second Hit
=========================
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html
Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder
or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just
think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by
a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate
commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it.
Third Hit
==========================
http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/groupetiquette.cfm
DO NOT Advertise: It doesn't work, it gets people really really mad,
it gets me really really mad, and no matter what you say it will not be
taken well. Everyone HATES SPAM. This is one of the things that will
guarantee that I bring out my "big hammer" and remove your thread. Do
not answer posts of this nature as it just adds to the number of posts I
have to remove. If you continue to advertise after being warned you may
find yourself blacklisted from posting anything on these newsgroups.
Fourth Hit
==========================
http://www.mommyshelperonline.com/email-etiquette.html
6.) Use 4-6 lines for your signature line, this is an opportunity to
highlight your business or company information, but don't be
ostentatious..
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
arthlink.net...
Doug,
I have always respected your approach and continue to feel that way. My
intent here is not meant to put you down in any way. I just am asking
you on a professional level where specifically does it say that offers
of help on an Access related problem for a fee are prohibited?
Steve
"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in
message ...
These newsgroups are not intended for you to solicit commercial
business.
You know that: you've been told MANY times by MANY different people,
yet you still persist.
Are you really that egocentric that you figure you can ignore
everyone?
--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
. earthlink.net...
Why don't you explain it to me in concrete terms, Doug.
"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in
message ...
You just don't get it, do you Steve?
--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
tl.earthlink.net...
Contact me at my email address below if you would like outside help
with this. My fees are very reasonable.
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
www.pcdatasheet.com