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Old April 7th, 2010, 09:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Richard Rasker
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Default Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with ?Office Word?

owl wrote:

In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 wrote:
On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama wrote:
On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:

I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
are complex.

Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
Word?

Can you define "complex"?


Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
are using OO rather than Word.

Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
the job, lose your job.


Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?


I can think of a scenario where the use of an MS Office format will lose you
the negotiation, the sale /and/ your job -- when it turns out that the .doc
or .xls files you sent still contained sensitive information that was never
meant to leave the premises.

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  #22  
Old April 7th, 2010, 09:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
RayLopez99
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On Apr 7, 1:54*am, ToolPackinMama wrote:

Yes I too am wondering what specific thing would be missing that would
be so critical?


Lots of things that you probably never have used. Pivot tables in
Excel. Cross-references in Word. White collar stuff.

RL
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Old April 7th, 2010, 09:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
RayLopez99
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On Apr 7, 10:23*am, Richard Rasker wrote:


I can think of a scenario where the use of an MS Office format will lose you
the negotiation, the sale /and/ your job -- when it turns out that the .doc
or .xls files you sent still contained sensitive information that was never
meant to leave the premises.


That's old news Richard. You can ask the latest Word to strip out all
comments.

RL

Interesting, my experience is that OO changes colors and formatting,
I
can create a spreadsheet in Excel 2007 shoot it off to a colleague
and
when it returns the formatting and all of the color in the thing has
changed and looks like hell. I would not hand a spreadsheet to a
client
in the shape it is returned to me from OO.

I can't comment on OO document formating compatibilty with Word
though.
After seeing what it does with spreadsheets, I have no interest in
finding out if it can hold the formating of a complex document from
Word.

Oh and the colleague was not aware of the changes in formatting in
the
spreadsheets. It seems the original formatting was never correctly
viewed by OO software.

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Old April 7th, 2010, 10:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Peter Köhlmann
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RayLopez99 wrote:

On Apr 7, 1:54 am, ToolPackinMama wrote:

Yes I too am wondering what specific thing would be missing that would
be so critical?


Lots of things that you probably never have used. Pivot tables in
Excel.


Too bad that OO has them

Cross-references in Word.


And, again, too bad for your imbecile trolls OO has that, too

White collar stuff.


You have never seen a "white collar". Living under bridges and posting
from internet cafes isn't exactly "white collar"
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Old April 7th, 2010, 10:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
ceed
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:59:30 -0500, RayLopez99
wrote:

I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
are complex.


I am negotiating legal contracts and the last (less than) 1%
incompatibility forces me to run Word under Crossover Linux. My employer
let's me use Linux as my work OS, but I am required to support Word 100%.
The main issues are little formatting differences when I edit a word
document and save it with OpenOffice, and change tracking which doesn't
always work reliably.

Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
Word?


If keeping formatting exactly like it was in the word document is
important you will see some problems using OpenOffice. There's good advice
here for getting OO to play as nice as possible when working with Word
documents:

http://is.gd/bilIL-

Thanks,

RL



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Old April 7th, 2010, 11:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Chris Ahlstrom
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Richard Rasker pulled this Usenet boner:

owl wrote:

In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 wrote:

Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
the job, lose your job.


Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?


I can think of a scenario where the use of an MS Office format will lose you
the negotiation, the sale /and/ your job -- when it turns out that the .doc
or .xls files you sent still contained sensitive information that was never
meant to leave the premises.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3154479.stm

Analysis of hidden information in the so-called Iraq "dodgy dossier"
showed, among other things, the names of the four civil servants who
worked on it.

Downing Street press office head Alastair Campbell had to explain who
these people were to the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select
Committee investigating the genesis of the plagiarised document.

. . .

The UK government has now largely abandoned Microsoft Word for documents
that become public and has turned to documents created using Adobe
Acrobat which uses the Portable Data Format (PDF).

Looks like "Word" lost one of its jobs. :-)

Unix and Linux users can turn to tools such as Antiword and Catdoc to
turn the document, including its formatting information, into a simple
text file.

. . .

He gathered about 100,000 Word documents from sites on the web and every
single one of them had hidden information.

. . .

"Microsoft is aware of the functionality of metadata being stored within
Word 97 documents and would advise users to follow the instructions laid
out in [the Microsoft Knowledge Base - see Related Internet Links]," says
a spokesperson. "However, Microsoft do not wish to comment on how
customers use the functionality within our software."

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Old April 7th, 2010, 11:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Chris Ahlstrom
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ceed pulled this Usenet boner:

If keeping formatting exactly like it was in the word document is
important you will see some problems using OpenOffice. There's good advice
here for getting OO to play as nice as possible when working with Word
documents:

http://is.gd/bilIL-


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-9864262-68.html

Many of Writer's advanced features aren't supported in Word, such as page
breaks and custom hyphenation.

The article (from early 2008) is out-of-date on this particular:

Writer retains Word's character and paragraph styles fairly well, but
graphics aligned in Word as characters don't convert to Writer.

This is no longer true -- OpenOffice provides explicit support for Word's
handling a graphic as if it were a character.

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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Felis silvestris
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On Tirsdag 6. april 2010 23.08, ray wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:59:30 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
are complex.

Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
Word?

Thanks,

RL


Why would I give a rat's ass? Anyone in the world running Linux, MS or
MAC can simply and easily download and install OOo for free. BTW - MS
Office is not even compatible with MS Office. You're in pretty good shape
if you happen to have the same exact version - otherwise it's no more
compatible than OOo.


I have several times used OOo to convert documents between mutually
incompatible Word versions. Not lately, so I just don't remember which
versions, nor do I care.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 02:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
RayLopez99
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On Apr 7, 11:57*am, ceed wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:59:30 -0500, RayLopez99 *
wrote:

I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
are complex.


I am negotiating legal contracts and the last (less than) 1% *
incompatibility forces me to run Word under Crossover Linux. My employer *
let's me use Linux as my work OS, but I am required to support Word 100%. *
The main issues are little formatting differences when I edit a word *
document and save it with OpenOffice, and change tracking which doesn't *
always work reliably.



Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? *Is it
true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
Word?


If keeping formatting exactly like it was in the word document is *
important you will see some problems using OpenOffice. There's good advice *
here for getting OO to play as nice as possible when working with Word *
documents:


Yep, yep, yep.

Ladies and Gentlemen--I introduce for your consideration Exhibit A,
marked "Ceed".

Ceed is a skilled white collar professional, dealing with multi-
million dollar negotiations. You just don't put anybody in charge of
this kind of work, as I've been there and done that.

Ceed has an open mind about Linux--as you can see, he's not prejudiced
against Linux but to the contrary uses Linux (which is more than I
would do).

But Ceed knows who butters their bread--and it's Microsoft Office
suite, specifically Word. You don't play games by sending a document
to the other side in "Open Office format" anymore than you would play
games by sending it in "WordStar", "WordPerfect" (which ironically was
the de facto standard for legal documents years ago), or Unix "LaTex"
for that matter.

Basketball analogy: when you have a open unopposed shot at the basket
and you need two points to win, you dunk. You don't try a fancy three
pointer. No need for that.

Baseball analogy: you cleanly catch a pop fly ball to get the last
out with both hands in front of your face. You don't do a one-handed
'basket' catch from the waist level.

Football (soccer) analogy: when you have an open goal, unopposed as
the goalie has fallen down, you kick it in with your shooting foot,
you don't try and scissor kick behind your back, kick it up in the air
and head it in, or kicking it in with your non-kicking foot, or, God
forbid, pass the ball to a teammate.

Football (American) analogy: First and goal from the 1 yard line to
win: you have a future Hall of Fame running back who has already run
against the opposing team successfully all day. Give him the ball.
You don't try passing or a trick play.

Race car analogy: you are in the lead and the checkered flag has been
given on the straightaway. Full throttle to victory; you don't give
up the lead and let somebody get ahead of you so you can "slingshot"
off their slipstream to regain the lead in the last few yards.

Office analogy: OFFICE. That's why they call it OFFICE. It does not
get simpler than that.

I rest my case.

RL
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Old April 8th, 2010, 01:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
ToolPackinMama
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On 4/7/2010 6:48 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Richard Rasker pulled this Usenet boner:

owl wrote:

In comp.os.linux.advocacy wrote:

Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
the job, lose your job.

Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?


I can think of a scenario where the use of an MS Office format will lose you
the negotiation, the sale /and/ your job -- when it turns out that the .doc
or .xls files you sent still contained sensitive information that was never
meant to leave the premises.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3154479.stm

Analysis of hidden information in the so-called Iraq "dodgy dossier"
showed, among other things, the names of the four civil servants who
worked on it.

Downing Street press office head Alastair Campbell had to explain who
these people were to the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select
Committee investigating the genesis of the plagiarised document.

. . .

The UK government has now largely abandoned Microsoft Word for documents
that become public and has turned to documents created using Adobe
Acrobat which uses the Portable Data Format (PDF).

Looks like "Word" lost one of its jobs. :-)


Good Lord!
 




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