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  #11  
Old June 30th, 2006, 04:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Outlook is not one of the most widely used? So much for seamless UI in
the corporate environment. So many changes and work? Maybe they
should slow down their releases in order to fully implement the new UI
next time.

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new inte

rface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

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JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?


  #12  
Old June 30th, 2006, 04:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Which are the most widely used? Word, Excel, Powerpoint..and?

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?


  #13  
Old June 30th, 2006, 04:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
JoAnn Paules [MVP]
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Access

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JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



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oups.com...
Which are the most widely used? Word, Excel, Powerpoint..and?

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?




  #14  
Old June 30th, 2006, 04:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
JoAnn Paules [MVP]
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

I'm only telling you what I heard. Not my decision.

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wrote in message
ups.com...
Outlook is not one of the most widely used? So much for seamless UI in
the corporate environment. So many changes and work? Maybe they
should slow down their releases in order to fully implement the new UI
next time.

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new inte

rface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?




  #15  
Old June 30th, 2006, 04:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

I'm not flaming you, I know you have nothing to do with the decisions.
I just don't see more people using Microsoft Access than Microsoft
Outlook. Yet another dissappointment with Microsoft. I'll be holding
off on installation and I'm sure the legal industry will have a lot to
say about the changes in Office, especially customizing the toolbar
(Ribbon.)

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
Access

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
oups.com...
Which are the most widely used? Word, Excel, Powerpoint..and?

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?



  #16  
Old June 30th, 2006, 05:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Wrong, the decision to not customize the main Outlook window (all items
opened from the folders display the new Ribbon format) is due to the
complexity of menu options available right now in Outlook.

Since you don't use Outlook, just take a moment to consider. Use Tools menu
choice and then Options, for instance, then view the myriad options
available. Open any tab and see how deep say the Preferences tab is for
options. Pick the Email Options and you have even more choices, such as
Advanced Email Options and Tracking Options. From there you have further
nested options.

Cleaning up Outlook to share the same Ribbon as the rest of Office would
take an entire Office release on its own. Therefore, the Office UI team
chose to spend its efforts where it would get the most return on its
investment of time and talent.

Read Jensen Harris' blog - http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh for a better
understanding.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, JoAnn Paules [MVP] asked:

| There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
| Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used
| products.
|
|
| wrote in message
| ps.com...
|| I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
|| you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use
|| a "third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really
|| want to know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File"
|| menu system?


  #17  
Old June 30th, 2006, 05:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
JoAnn Paules [MVP]
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Like I said, I don't like the new ribbon because now I can't find anything I
need. I had to save the Help file (telling me where to look for my commands)
as a .pdf so my husband could print it. I'm talking about a 72-page
document! I understand *why* they are doing it but I wish it could have been
something a bit more gradual.

(And I'm tickled that Pub 2007 doesn't have it. Plus I think it has some
nice new features.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ups.com...
I'm not flaming you, I know you have nothing to do with the decisions.
I just don't see more people using Microsoft Access than Microsoft
Outlook. Yet another dissappointment with Microsoft. I'll be holding
off on installation and I'm sure the legal industry will have a lot to
say about the changes in Office, especially customizing the toolbar
(Ribbon.)

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
Access

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
oups.com...
Which are the most widely used? Word, Excel, Powerpoint..and?

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used
products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use
a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want
to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu
system?





  #18  
Old June 30th, 2006, 06:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

In the legal industry, we have numerous programs that "plug-into"
Outlook and other Office products. The reason we "had to" go with
Outlook/Exchange was due to the integration with our accounting/time
management software. The software we were using required Exchange in
order to be "fully-functional." Every user (aside from the attorneys)
has a customized toolbar. Ask around in the legal field and you will
find that this is the norm.

Maybe I will wait for Microsoft Outlook (Ribbon edition.) If Microsoft
has made the Outlook ToolsOptions menu too large to customize in the 3
year development time, then imagine what a problem users have finding
the button that they want to press.

We will still install Office because we don't have another choice.
However, I'll let SP1 for Vista and SP1 for Office be released before I
even consider touching them. Of course, once the users get a hold of
the product, it will be time to go back and train them how to use the
new software.

I appreciate the reasons that have been given for the "unseamless new
UI" but there just is no excuse, unless it is to satisfy the Software
Assurance customers that signed up.

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] wrote:
Wrong, the decision to not customize the main Outlook window (all items
opened from the folders display the new Ribbon format) is due to the
complexity of menu options available right now in Outlook.

Since you don't use Outlook, just take a moment to consider. Use Tools menu
choice and then Options, for instance, then view the myriad options
available. Open any tab and see how deep say the Preferences tab is for
options. Pick the Email Options and you have even more choices, such as
Advanced Email Options and Tracking Options. From there you have further
nested options.

Cleaning up Outlook to share the same Ribbon as the rest of Office would
take an entire Office release on its own. Therefore, the Office UI team
chose to spend its efforts where it would get the most return on its
investment of time and talent.

Read Jensen Harris' blog - http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh for a better
understanding.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, JoAnn Paules [MVP] asked:

| There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
| Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used
| products.
|
|
| wrote in message
| ps.com...
|| I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
|| you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use
|| a "third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really
|| want to know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File"
|| menu system?


  #19  
Old June 30th, 2006, 08:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Patrick Schmid
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Outlook actually received the most UI development effort, more than
Word, Excel, PPT and Access combined probably. Outlook has 10+ different
ribbons, one for each type of item you can have in Outlook (e.g. mail
read is different from mail compose). MS just didn't have the resources
to do the extremely complex main Outlook windows as well.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

" wrote in message
ups.com:

I'm not flaming you, I know you have nothing to do with the decisions.
I just don't see more people using Microsoft Access than Microsoft
Outlook. Yet another dissappointment with Microsoft. I'll be holding
off on installation and I'm sure the legal industry will have a lot to
say about the changes in Office, especially customizing the toolbar
(Ribbon.)

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
Access

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
oups.com...
Which are the most widely used? Word, Excel, Powerpoint..and?

JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
There are so many changes and work involved in the new interface that
Microsoft opted to devote the time on the four most-widely used products.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



wrote in message
ps.com...
I have read that you can't revert back to the "File" menu system and
you have to use the "Ribbon." I have also read that you have to use a
"third-party" product to customize the "Ribbon." What I really want to
know is why does Outlook and Publisher use the old "File" menu system?



  #20  
Old July 1st, 2006, 07:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Kraig
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Default Get rid of the ribbon!

Thanks Bob, Ive done that! And also a thanks to everybody else who wants the
old UI back....

"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Kraig,

You can send feedback, including screenshots and the reason for your suggestions directly to the 2007 Microsoft Office Product team
using the 2007 feedback tool from the link below.

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"Kraig" wrote in message ...
Get rid of the ribbon!

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I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office system products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


LINKS for the 2007 Office System

1. Read about it, try it, or watch the movie
the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

2. Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2?
Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures)
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

3. Use the 2007 OfficeOnline website without Office2007

a. Install the ActiveX access control
http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033
b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net



 




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