Worse software of 2006

Just look at it this way: If you come to some (any) established community
and start saying that the object this community is created around is bad
an ugly and just shouldn't exist - that's trolling NO MATTER IF YOUR
POINTS ARE VALID OR NOT. You see, t=it is not an absolute term, it is
relative to auditory.

I see no definition in the newsgroup that defines what will be said in here,
apart that it is a general discussion of Vista.
Public.windows.vista.general.

Sorry I believe that truth must be said even if some don't like it.
Truth is not relative it is absolute. If it the statement "truth is
relative" according to youis true, the statement itself is relative and
cannot be absolutely true.
That idea self destructs.Its a Paradox my friend.
Truth has power... and it prevails... always.


"Alexander Suhovey" wrote in message
...
"Red nosed reindeer" - wrote in message
...
But I can assure you that vista is NOT faster than XP if they are both
installed fresh and compared on the same machine.

I didn't test XP and Vista head to head but if you ask me I'd rather
believe Jim [1], not you. Do you have any source/stats on head-to-head
tests to share?

[1] Jim Allchin talks about XP/Vista comparative performance in the middle
of the first half of following video:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=254997


BTW I am not a troll

Well, you have to better understand all aspects of this term. Personally,
I find your constant negative posts in this group exactly trolling. The
reason isn't your point of view on Vista or vaildity of your argumets. The
reason is that this community is all about Vista users who need help with
whatever problems they have with it. It is a matter of constructive
approach. It is simply not the best place for your posts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28internet%29


Just look at it this way: If you come to some (any) established community
and start saying that the object this community is created around is bad
an ugly and just shouldn't exist - that's trolling NO MATTER IF YOUR
POINTS ARE VALID OR NOT. You see, t=it is not an absolute term, it is
relative to auditory.

--
Alexander Suhovey

"Red nosed reindeer" - wrote in message
...
Sorry I believe that truth must be said even if some don't like it.
Truth is not relative it is absolute. If it the statement "truth is
relative" according to youis true, the statement itself is relative and
cannot be absolutely true.
That idea self destructs.Its a Paradox my friend.
Truth has power... and it prevails... always.

Sure, just don't say "I'm not a troll" then.

--
Alexander Suhovey

get a blog.

Wow, what a neat concept! Thanks for the link!

Rob

"Red nosed reindeer" - wrote in message
...
| Well as you can see I am not a microsoft basher.... whatever works should
| remain.
| Whatever new things come out that are better should replace the old.
| I had to include an MS office application, because it has things people
need
| and use.
|
| Open office is great for most uses... its simple and clean.... and free!
| You can find a portable version here www.portableapps.com that can run
also
| from
| a hard disk with no installation.. you just run it from a folder....
|
| Check out the other oapplications there too. Portable does not mean you
have
| to use them on a USB drive.. they can work from the hard disk.. and the
good
| thing is that they dont need installation.. they run from a folder and are
| self contained.. no registry or temp files and trash left around.
|
| wrote in message
| oups.com...
| Red nosed reindeer wrote:
| Office suite. Openoffice (free and opensource) www.openoffice.org or
MS
| office2003
|
| Our company computers were migrated this year from Office97 to
| Office2003, and I really can't get on with it. Things I could do
| easily in Office 97 - like position text boxes side by side for two
| illustrations - simply don't work in office2003. I have passed our IT
| people a list of some 30 odd bugs in Office 2003 but they work on the
| "no-one ever got sacked for buying microsoft" principle, and thier fix,
| for example fo not being able to number captions to match chapters is
| to not number captions at all!
|
| OpenOffice is very good, as far as it goes, but until they fix the
| chart module and some of the more esoteric dual-monitor problems it
| still lags behind office97 in user take-up.
|
| My own preferred windows wp was wordperfect, but that has rather
| languished for a while!
|
|
|

DatabaseBen wrote:
get a blog.

At first I thought this might be an interesting thread until I noticed the
huge amount of misinformation beginning with the very first post, to bashing
to snobbery to people with serious control issues with closed minds to any
that doesn't agree with them. Nearly every single poster in this thread is
a prime example of how Microsoft simply can't get any reasonable input from
places like this and why they don't seek it here.
IMO, the only mistake I think MS made, and again it's just an opinion,
was to purport it to be a critical update and place it in that mode for
downloading. Even so however, they provided plenty of opportunity to not
download it, how to download it, and what to expect from the download, not
to mention specific removal instructions.
There ARE a couple things I don't care for, but they are minor details.
If I don't like it, I can always go back to IE6 just as anyone here can do,
and there won't be any solid requirement for Vista for some long time to
come.
Most of the folks here only wanted progress for the sake of progress, and
then started wailing because it wasn't laid out just like what they were
used to. If you didn't want anything changed, then you shouldn't have
downloaded it; it's that simple. It's as though no one wants to think for
themselves anymore and want everyone else to be mindreaders. Ain't gonna
happen in this day and age.

Some of it was interesting, at least so reading wasn't a total waste of
time. A few people did actually have comments a la a thinking person might
make.

Oh well; onward

Pop`

Brian is obviously a Microsoft employee/shill. Either that or a spoiled 11
year old whose mommy just gave him some money and now he's out to get the
latest toy.
Exactly the type Bill Gates sees coming everytime.

"Alias" wrote:

Brian W wrote:
I've got the money ready, as soon as Jan 30th hits I'll
be in the shop buying it.

LOL! Now *that's* funny.

Alias

"Red nosed reindeer" wrote:
Sorry I believe that truth must be said even if some don't like it.
Truth is not relative it is absolute. If it the statement "truth is
relative" according to youis true, the statement itself is relative and
cannot be absolutely true.
That idea self destructs.Its a Paradox my friend.
Truth has power... and it prevails... always.

In your posts, would you mind identifying what the "truth" statements are so
I will know which are absolutes? I am having a difficult time distinguishing
which statements are "truths" and which statements are simply your opinions.
Or maybe I missed the notice that said your opinions were the truth - if so
could you provide the reference to that notice so that I will not make the
mistake again of confusing your truths with your opinions. Again, thanks for
you help in clearing up this confusion.

I have found this post interesting enough to make my first attempt for an
opinion on line.
I disagree with some of these responses, that this is not a useful post. I
have been researching Vista infor for some time and have found many unhappy
users. It seems the main objection is the interaction of other software
programs updates in prep for Vista not working, or being more time consuming
to learn than the person is prepared for.
I installed the internet expl 7 update. My "beef" with the install was that
it was loaded automatically. This caused issues, because I was not ready to
allocate the time for that kind of major change. The uninstall was very time
consuming. Adobe followed the same format with the same problems. These
major installs, I would like to install clean and under a watchful eye, so I
can troubleshoot it properly. Loading in the background does not work. I
have since stopped all auto updates to all software, because of the
assumption by companies that I have choosen to use Vista.

An example of my caution was: when 95 came out I bought the software and
the huge manual that was published for it. I read the manual and checked out
the attributes for me vs. the glitches I forsaw, and decided, it was not for
me.
When I returned it, with the software unopened, I was told no one reads the
book.
Too bad, 95 was a bust, unless you had to, you were better off waiting for 98.

My background was main frame computing and programing in the dinasour age,
before Bill Gates was born, and IBM was not the main...main of computing.
I'm still backwards in some of the technology, but facinated by the choices.

I think that an opinion, such as this post, applys to what your expectations
for Vista's improvements are for your individual needs.
THE main point that is really great is that it is not for everyone, and it
should not be assumed by Microsoft or other software companies. Downloading
with updates that previously were of less significance, is a rude surprize
for the users, and a impossible for the casual user.
I say this because, I am fixing this problem on too many freinds and familys
computers. It's been such a hassle for me, in time spent.

STOP BASHING THE POSTER IT WAS GREAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, HE'S
NOT A TROLL.....GROWUP

"Red nosed reindeer" wrote:

Microsoft has blundered big time. I think that the company will suffer
greatly with
this new product line. Bad concepts and design of these programs will plague
them for years.

The ultimate winner: Windows Vista. And you think nothing could be worse
than windows ME!
Reason: Every aspect of this OS is horrible. From its looks, to all the
changes they made,to the things they should have done but didn't, they took
XP and twisted it into a monstrosity.

Worse browser: IE7 wins this title hands down. Its non customizable
interface with
bad design, its poorly implemented tabs, and the multitude of bugs makes
this software of beta quality and never should have been released.

Worse Office suite: Office 2007 because of its huge bloat, and the ribbon
(the new toolbar), which will go down in history as the stupidest interface
ever implemented in an office program.

Worse Media player: WMP11. Because it is damn ugly and failed to add the
things people really needed.

Worse email client: Windows live mail desktop, because the design follows
the
same concepts of vista, again they took outlook express... and made a
monster out of it.

Having said all that, I have to say that there is one stand alone MS product
that is good,
IF you tweak it and customize it. Live messenger 8

The bright side to all this, is that the failures of the above software will
open up the doors to new
developers, to make new innovative applications that will provide service
and joy to humanity in 2007.

Thats your opinion, I thought the post was valid, with alot of insight that
toke time. Don't knock him for all us
Haven't you ever heard if you can't say something nice,..say nothing.

"Brian W" wrote:

Why do you keep posting? People aren't gonna listen to you. Anyone who wants
Vista (like me) isn't going to change their mind just because you think it's
crap. I've got the money ready, as soon as Jan 30th hits I'll be in the shop
buying it. Anything you post here won't make the slightest difference.
Everyone can have an opinion, but you seem obsessed with hating Vista and MS
in gerneral.


"Red nosed reindeer" - wrote in message
...
Microsoft has blundered big time. I think that the company will suffer
greatly with
this new product line. Bad concepts and design of these programs will
plague them for years.

The ultimate winner: Windows Vista. And you think nothing could be worse
than windows ME!
Reason: Every aspect of this OS is horrible. From its looks, to all the
changes they made,to the things they should have done but didn't, they
took XP and twisted it into a monstrosity.

Worse browser: IE7 wins this title hands down. Its non customizable
interface with
bad design, its poorly implemented tabs, and the multitude of bugs makes
this software of beta quality and never should have been released.

Worse Office suite: Office 2007 because of its huge bloat, and the ribbon
(the new toolbar), which will go down in history as the stupidest
interface ever implemented in an office program.

Worse Media player: WMP11. Because it is damn ugly and failed to add the
things people really needed.

Worse email client: Windows live mail desktop, because the design follows
the
same concepts of vista, again they took outlook express... and made a
monster out of it.

Having said all that, I have to say that there is one stand alone MS
product that is good,
IF you tweak it and customize it. Live messenger 8

The bright side to all this, is that the failures of the above software
will open up the doors to new
developers, to make new innovative applications that will provide service
and joy to humanity in 2007.

Thank you Pat.. I know I am a bit annoying but its ok... someone has to get
out the message of caution, and not blindly follow whatever they give us.

As for the problem with Ie7, you were not alone.. many many people got
surprised
with the autoupdate. I knew they wanted to do this before they did it.. and
I knew
it would create chaos! I warned everyone I knew so at least they were
prepared and acted accordingly. Some people would suddenly restart their
computer
and find a new internet explorer totally alien to them....
It was a mistake in my opinion... but they need to push it down everyone's
throats and that scares me. It should have been an optional install.. from
the ms update site,
not a high priority autoupdate.

The best way to install IE7 is to install it on a fresh install of XP, or
better yet
you can slipstream (integrate) ie7 onto the XP disk and create a new cdrom.
If you are into such stuff..there is a tool to help you do this. (free)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S...streamer.shtml

Thanks again for the understanding... I appreciate it..

Happy new-year!




"Pat B" wrote in message
...
I have found this post interesting enough to make my first attempt for an
opinion on line.
I disagree with some of these responses, that this is not a useful post.
I
have been researching Vista infor for some time and have found many
unhappy
users. It seems the main objection is the interaction of other software
programs updates in prep for Vista not working, or being more time
consuming
to learn than the person is prepared for.
I installed the internet expl 7 update. My "beef" with the install was
that
it was loaded automatically. This caused issues, because I was not ready
to
allocate the time for that kind of major change. The uninstall was very
time
consuming. Adobe followed the same format with the same problems. These
major installs, I would like to install clean and under a watchful eye, so
I
can troubleshoot it properly. Loading in the background does not work. I
have since stopped all auto updates to all software, because of the
assumption by companies that I have choosen to use Vista.

An example of my caution was: when 95 came out I bought the software and
the huge manual that was published for it. I read the manual and checked
out
the attributes for me vs. the glitches I forsaw, and decided, it was not
for
me.
When I returned it, with the software unopened, I was told no one reads
the
book.
Too bad, 95 was a bust, unless you had to, you were better off waiting for
98.

My background was main frame computing and programing in the dinasour age,
before Bill Gates was born, and IBM was not the main...main of computing.
I'm still backwards in some of the technology, but facinated by the
choices.

I think that an opinion, such as this post, applys to what your
expectations
for Vista's improvements are for your individual needs.
THE main point that is really great is that it is not for everyone, and
it
should not be assumed by Microsoft or other software companies.
Downloading
with updates that previously were of less significance, is a rude surprize
for the users, and a impossible for the casual user.
I say this because, I am fixing this problem on too many freinds and
familys
computers. It's been such a hassle for me, in time spent.

STOP BASHING THE POSTER IT WAS GREAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE,
HE'S
NOT A TROLL.....GROWUP

"Red nosed reindeer" wrote:

Microsoft has blundered big time. I think that the company will suffer
greatly with
this new product line. Bad concepts and design of these programs will
plague
them for years.

The ultimate winner: Windows Vista. And you think nothing could be worse
than windows ME!
Reason: Every aspect of this OS is horrible. From its looks, to all the
changes they made,to the things they should have done but didn't, they
took
XP and twisted it into a monstrosity.

Worse browser: IE7 wins this title hands down. Its non customizable
interface with
bad design, its poorly implemented tabs, and the multitude of bugs makes
this software of beta quality and never should have been released.

Worse Office suite: Office 2007 because of its huge bloat, and the ribbon
(the new toolbar), which will go down in history as the stupidest
interface
ever implemented in an office program.

Worse Media player: WMP11. Because it is damn ugly and failed to add the
things people really needed.

Worse email client: Windows live mail desktop, because the design follows
the
same concepts of vista, again they took outlook express... and made a
monster out of it.

Having said all that, I have to say that there is one stand alone MS
product
that is good,
IF you tweak it and customize it. Live messenger 8

The bright side to all this, is that the failures of the above software
will
open up the doors to new
developers, to make new innovative applications that will provide service
and joy to humanity in 2007.