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I've been banned from UtterAccess
You have described something that was among my reasons for leaving NYC. I
never really fit in anyhow, but fortunately for my life on the outside I never acquired the confrontational habit. "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... David, I am sorry to hear you got banned... Being a former New Yorker, I understand how alot of people misunderstand your direct 'tone' and can get offended. To digress... when I first moved to Ohio and took a job I was unhappy about the way the cleaning service cleaned the office. As a New Yorker, I called and YELLED. Well, the woman started crying and that set me off even more. My now good friend Lorraine looked at me and explained THIS is Ohio and if you want something done all you have to do is ask. Of course, I was stunned! Anyway, I did call up and apologize and explained "Oops, new concept to me... to just ask!" and all was forgiven. (By the way, it did take me almost a year to stop yelling first.) Back to the point... Now perhaps, after everyone has calmed down you can 'talk' to the moderators or maybe you don't want to, up to you really. But I personally will not ban the site and would not recommend for anyone to do so. No matter where you go there is the good, the bad and the ugly (LOVED that movie) but for the MOST part that site is great for beginners, intermediate and there is even some top grade advice, code and solutions there on expert level. (Unfortunately, all I ever do there is post a link to my web site as I don't have time to answer and read the posting much since I can get it my newsreader.) -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "David W. Fenton" wrote in message 36.90... For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed elsewhere. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
On Mar 18, 6:11*pm, "David W. Fenton"
wrote: For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed elsewhere. -- David W. Fenton * * * * * * * * *http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com * *http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ Boo hoo, UA was mean to me. |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
See now a New Yorker would say... "Not confrontational, just direct!". As
an Ohian (Now), I understand EXACTLY what you mean. -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "BruceM" wrote in message ... You have described something that was among my reasons for leaving NYC. I never really fit in anyhow, but fortunately for my life on the outside I never acquired the confrontational habit. "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... David, I am sorry to hear you got banned... Being a former New Yorker, I understand how alot of people misunderstand your direct 'tone' and can get offended. To digress... when I first moved to Ohio and took a job I was unhappy about the way the cleaning service cleaned the office. As a New Yorker, I called and YELLED. Well, the woman started crying and that set me off even more. My now good friend Lorraine looked at me and explained THIS is Ohio and if you want something done all you have to do is ask. Of course, I was stunned! Anyway, I did call up and apologize and explained "Oops, new concept to me... to just ask!" and all was forgiven. (By the way, it did take me almost a year to stop yelling first.) Back to the point... Now perhaps, after everyone has calmed down you can 'talk' to the moderators or maybe you don't want to, up to you really. But I personally will not ban the site and would not recommend for anyone to do so. No matter where you go there is the good, the bad and the ugly (LOVED that movie) but for the MOST part that site is great for beginners, intermediate and there is even some top grade advice, code and solutions there on expert level. (Unfortunately, all I ever do there is post a link to my web site as I don't have time to answer and read the posting much since I can get it my newsreader.) -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "David W. Fenton" wrote in message 36.90... For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed elsewhere. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
Hi David,
Too bad about you getting banned. You've got good advice to give to all of us who need help understanding Access. However, having been on the receiving end of one of your posts that had NOTHING to do with helping me, but only about how you'd "never do..." (this) and that the design of the database I'm working on is "flawed" (I think you said) without knowing any of the facts involved, I can see where someone would take offense at the way you say things. Not what you say...but the *way* you say it. It was nice, though, that when you said that to me I was able to tell you to stick it in your ear, so to speak. Something that probably wouldn't have been allowd on the Utter Access site from what you indicate here. Never having been there, I don't know for sure...but I think I'll now check it out--thanks for the tip about other good avenues for investigating the ins and outs of Access. Anyway, David... you might consider how you talk (type) to people-- this problem with the moderator may not be the moderator's fault. I've always thought your advice is solid, though, so maybe try to work it out at a later time. Hang in, ron On Mar 18, 3:11*pm, "David W. Fenton" wrote: For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed elsewhere. -- David W. Fenton * * * * * * * * *http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com * *http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
maybe it's because you don't use a real database-- and only
professional developers can earn a living in NYC? maybe it's because you don't use a real database-- and only professional developers can earn a living in NYC? maybe it's because you don't use a real database-- and only professional developers can earn a living in NYC? maybe it's because you don't use a real database-- and only professional developers can earn a living in NYC? On Mar 19, 7:19*am, "BruceM" wrote: You have described something that was among my reasons for leaving NYC. *I never really fit in anyhow, but fortunately for my life on the outside I never acquired the confrontational habit. "Gina Whipp" wrote in message ... David, I am sorry to hear you got banned... *Being a former New Yorker, I understand how alot of people misunderstand your direct 'tone' and can get offended. *To digress... when I first moved to Ohio and took a job I was unhappy about the way the cleaning service cleaned the office. *As a New Yorker, I called and YELLED. *Well, the woman started crying and that set me off even more. *My now good friend Lorraine looked at me and explained THIS is Ohio and if you want something done all you have to do is ask. *Of course, I was stunned! *Anyway, I did call up and apologize and explained "Oops, new concept to me... to just ask!" and all was forgiven. *(By the way, it did take me almost a year to stop yelling first.) Back to the point... Now perhaps, after everyone has calmed down you can 'talk' to the moderators or maybe you don't want to, up to you really. But I personally will not ban the site and would not recommend for anyone to do so. *No matter where you go there is the good, the bad and the ugly (LOVED that movie) but for the MOST part that site is great for beginners, intermediate and there is even some top grade advice, code and solutions there on expert level. *(Unfortunately, all I ever do there is post a link to my web site as I don't have time to answer and read the posting much since I can get it my newsreader.) -- Gina Whipp "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors II http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm "David W. Fenton" wrote in message . 136.90... For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed elsewhere. -- David W. Fenton * * * * * * * * *http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com * *http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
"Steve Schapel" wrote in
: Can you please wait until your blood pressure has returned to nornal, and then try to continue discussing the problem with the UA administrators, in attempt to resolve? What's to resolve? They can't stand posts where blunt criticism is directed at another person's advice. I didn't make an ad hominem attack -- I attacked someone's advice, called it "stupid" and explained why. I was told that I had to apologize. I refused (because I had nothing to apologize for) and was banned. How could I participate again in a forum in which I can be banned for just being myself? -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
"Tony Toews [MVP]" wrote in
: "David W. Fenton" wrote: For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice. Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be banned, even if you're right about the bad advice. Occasionally the tone of your replies are quite negative and sarcastic. I've mentioned this a number of times over the years. If indeed this was one of those postings then I can understand why the moderators would ban you. I called someone's advice "stupid" and then explained why. You can't tell whether or not what I posted was beyond the pale because it's now been edited out of the post (along with part of my explanation of the problem with the advice). -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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strive4peace wrote in
: with all due respect, it was not your opinion that banned you, it was the degrading way you delivered it, and your subsequent refusal to apologize. You were given a chance to make things right... 2 days -- so it was not an immediate decision. I have nothing to apologize for. I criticized someone's advice, calling it stupid. It *was* stupid advice. How can I apologize for something that I don't feel apologetic about? You have great ideas, it is just too bad that you cannot realize other have them too... There was no need to be mean. I did not attack someone personally. I attacked his *advice*. There is a huge difference, and the inability of UA moderators to understand the difference is preciselly what's wrong with the whole situation. You were recommending replication, which has been removed from the latest version. No, it HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED. As that is the case, the other poster was suggesting alternate approaches And I said that was stupid advice, and explained why. SharePoint is not a replacement for replication (even though MS would like us to believe it is). [] I hope that you can get over your confrontational nature because you are a brilliant man with much outstanding knowledge to share. You're welcome to your opinion. I've been around the Internet participating in forums on Usenet and elsewhere for about 15 years. I don't know what has happened to people, but when I started out on the Internet, the discourse was spirited and commited. People cared about what they were posting, which meant that when they disagreed with someone's advice, they didn't feel any need to sugarcoat their response. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
"Chris O'C via AccessMonster.com" u29189@uwe wrote in
news:93549059d6aa2@uwe: Once again, David Fenton *knows* what he's talking about. He just doesn't say it with a spoonful of honey to make it go down easier. You are so very kind, and I'm glad to find out that other people reading the thread understood my point. I don't know if you saw my original response, the one that prompted the request that I apologize, but I called the advice given "stupid." I didn't call the person who made it stupid -- had I done so, I should have apologized. Your post delineates exactly why the advice was stupid (I was much less verbose in dismissing SharePoint), and makes me feel substantially less regretful about refusing to apologize. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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I've been banned from UtterAccess
"Larry Linson" wrote in
: There are several very knowledgeable MVPs who are regular participants at Utter Access, but I am not familiar with the site and the way it operates. My time and energy is not even sufficient to do all the newsgroup posting/responding that I'd like to accomplish, much less to visit "Access sites" on any regular basis. I took on UA as a forum that I monitored for the purpose of making sure there was reliable information on Jet Replication posted there. When I first encountered the site, there was lots of misinformation and bad advice in regard to replication, and there was a real need for some factual information. I have monitored the site regular for mentions of replication and tried to provide help on that subject. Mostly I don't post on other subjects, but when the term "replica" came up in another thread that I ended up reading that isn't about replication and I happened to have something useful to contribute, I did. I think that any site with a "report as offensive" or "notify moderator" link in the forums is probably one that is going to be hypersensitive to anything other than what I think of as Midwestern politeness. I know all about it -- I grew up on a farm in Central Illinois -- and it ain't nearly as polite as you might think. I much prefer New York-style directness to the "ignore the idiot in the room and be nice" approach that I grew up with, but forums with those links for reporting to the moderators are probably not going to tolerate anything but the fake politeness that makes it harder for the casual reader to distinguish a strong criticism pointing out substantial flaws from a polite quibble. I hear that AOL has always had lots of problems with their REPORT AS SPAM button in their email client, because people report stuff that isn't spam at all -- they just click it to express displeasure with the email they are reading. Perhaps that effect occurs on the sites that have those links. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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