Install that important patch

Please, please, please stop any attachments being posted
the miccrosoft.public.* newsgroups it they include HTML.

If you do this then the people who come here and thing that
these "Security Patches" from you are genuine because they
are on a Microsoft newsgroup will not see them and install
them because they end up sending viruses to others who
post here.

Chrissy.

"Chrissy" wrote in message
...
Please, please, please stop any attachments being posted
the miccrosoft.public.* newsgroups it they include HTML.


They cant, these are NOT moderated by microsoft or anyone
else for that matter, think of it as an interlinked chat room

If you do this then the people who come here and thing that
these "Security Patches" from you are genuine because they
are on a Microsoft newsgroup will not see them and install
them because they end up sending viruses to others who
post here.

Chrissy.



Microsoft have made it crystal cleat that the never post
or mail patches in this way, that said there's a cardinal
rule you should follow with usenet.

NEVER NEVER load any program thats posted on ANY
usenet forum no matter how respectable it seems.

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote

Chrissy wrote
Please, please, please stop any attachments being posted
the microsoft.public.* newsgroups it they include HTML.


They cant, these are NOT moderated by microsoft or anyone
else for that matter, think of it as an interlinked chat room


They can actually. Moderated groups are groups which have
a person controlling what is and is not posted. The creator of
a newsgroup can set up rules as to what can and cannot be put
on that group - at least that was my understanding when I looked
at setting one up. They can definitely specify that no attachments
can be posted but I think they can also remove posts which they
want to and this can be done automatically.


If you do this then the people who come here and thing that
these "Security Patches" from you are genuine because they
are on a Microsoft newsgroup will not see them and install
them because they end up sending viruses to others who
post here.

Chrissy.



Microsoft have made it crystal cleat that the never post
or mail patches in this way, that said there's a cardinal
rule you should follow with usenet.

NEVER NEVER load any program thats posted on ANY
usenet forum no matter how respectable it seems.

But not everyone is knowledgeable about computers and the
people who are not all that knowledgeable but are trying to
learn often come here to get answers to their questions.
With the number of people I have heard of who are getting
the virus which is being posted to these groups many times
a day, and they all say that they have posted to MS groups,
I believe that there are posters here who have infected systems.

Chrissy.

"Chrissy" wrote in message
...
Keith Willshaw wrote

Chrissy wrote
Please, please, please stop any attachments being posted
the microsoft.public.* newsgroups it they include HTML.


They cant, these are NOT moderated by microsoft or anyone
else for that matter, think of it as an interlinked chat room


They can actually. Moderated groups are groups which have
a person controlling what is and is not posted. The creator of
a newsgroup can set up rules as to what can and cannot be put
on that group - at least that was my understanding when I looked
at setting one up. They can definitely specify that no attachments
can be posted but I think they can also remove posts which they
want to and this can be done automatically.


Yes but these ARENT moderated groups.


If you do this then the people who come here and thing that
these "Security Patches" from you are genuine because they
are on a Microsoft newsgroup will not see them and install
them because they end up sending viruses to others who
post here.

Chrissy.



Microsoft have made it crystal cleat that the never post
or mail patches in this way, that said there's a cardinal
rule you should follow with usenet.

NEVER NEVER load any program thats posted on ANY
usenet forum no matter how respectable it seems.

But not everyone is knowledgeable about computers and the
people who are not all that knowledgeable but are trying to
learn often come here to get answers to their questions.

Sorry but this is a lesson they have to learn if they wish
to use Usenet. Usenet is by definition a dsitributed
medium with no central control.

With the number of people I have heard of who are getting
the virus which is being posted to these groups many times
a day, and they all say that they have posted to MS groups,
I believe that there are posters here who have infected systems.

Chrissy.



They are being posted to lots of groups which are nothing
to do with microsoft and also sent out by email. Yes you
can prevent postng of ALL attachments to a newsgroup but
that is rather limiting and prevents people from attaching
legitimate stuff. Its surely far better to set up your reader not to
download binaries if thats what you want.

I'm not in favour of dumbing down, especially in newsgroups
targetted at developers who may be expected to be a little
more sophisticated than the average user.

I suggest you cut down the crossposting if you reply
I only read microsoft.public.excel.programming

Posting to this many groups is frankly impolite, if you
want to say something to microsoft send an email.

Keith

"Chrissy" wrote...
...
Keith Willshaw wrote
...
They cant, these are NOT moderated by microsoft or anyone
else for that matter, think of it as an interlinked chat room

They can actually. Moderated groups are groups which have
a person controlling what is and is not posted. The creator of
a newsgroup can set up rules as to what can and cannot be put
on that group - at least that was my understanding when I looked
at setting one up. They can definitely specify that no attachments
can be posted but I think they can also remove posts which they
want to and this can be done automatically.
...

While you're mostly correct about how moderated newsgroups work (moderators are
gate keepers who review potential postings before they're propagated as
newsgroup postings - this can be automated, but the rules would be simplistic),
it doesn't alter the fact that Keith's correct - these newsgroups are *NOT*
moderated. As long as they're not, discussion about what could be done if they
were is idle speculation.

Also, FWLIW, once a message is admitted to a moderated newsgroup, it's
propagated like any other ng message to all NNTP servers that carry the ng.
There's nothing moderators can do to delete ng messages at that point - it's
entirely up to the ISPs to purge messages from their NNTP servers.

But not everyone is knowledgeable about computers and the
people who are not all that knowledgeable but are trying to
learn often come here to get answers to their questions.
With the number of people I have heard of who are getting
the virus which is being posted to these groups many times
a day, and they all say that they have posted to MS groups,
I believe that there are posters here who have infected systems.

Not necessarily. It's far more likely that there are lurkers (people who read
these ngs but seldom if ever post) who have infected systems.

It's a trade-off. If you want to use a medium in which Joe Bob's dumb uncle can
spread the next virus to millions of other PCs because the medium offers
benefits that you perceive are greater than the risks, fine. If not, don't use
it. As a third alternative, only use non-Windows boxes to browse the internet -
none of the latest bugs affects anything other than Windows. If you were using a
Linux box and using a maintenance service to keep current with security updates,
you'd have been unaffected by Blaster, SoBig, Swen, etc. Ditto for FreeBSD,
OS/2, Mac OS, Solaris, yada yada yada.

Given the repeated waves of viruses, it's pretty obvious that new users just
won't stop doing stupid things on the internet. Learn how to cope.

--
Never attach files.
Snip unnecessary quoted text.
Never multipost (though crossposting is usually OK).
Don't change subject lines because it corrupts Google newsgroup archives.

Harlan Grove wrote
"Chrissy" wrote...

But not everyone is knowledgeable about computers and the
people who are not all that knowledgeable but are trying to
learn often come here to get answers to their questions.
With the number of people I have heard of who are getting
the virus which is being posted to these groups many times
a day, and they all say that they have posted to MS groups,
I believe that there are posters here who have infected systems.

Not necessarily. It's far more likely that there are lurkers (people who read
these ngs but seldom if ever post) who have infected systems.

That is simply not provable and almost certainly not true. If someone
is a lurker then they are most likely to be interested in MS stuff specifically
or computers generally. They are then more likely to be some what knowledgeable
about computers and thus less likely to have a virus.

Once a gain - the people with virus infections are likely to be the less
well informed - the guy who is new to computers and has not yet learnt
about viruses and how easy they are to get and how easy they are to
avoid.


It's a trade-off. If you want to use a medium in which Joe Bob's dumb uncle can
spread the next virus to millions of other PCs because the medium offers
benefits that you perceive are greater than the risks, fine. If not, don't use
it. As a third alternative, only use non-Windows boxes to browse the internet -

I use ONLY MS Windows boxes to browse the internet and will continue to do so.

none of the latest bugs affects anything other than Windows. If you were using a
Linux box and using a maintenance service to keep current with security updates,
you'd have been unaffected by Blaster, SoBig, Swen, etc. Ditto for FreeBSD,
OS/2, Mac OS, Solaris, yada yada yada.

yada yada yada alright. All those systems WERE affected to the same extent mine
was. I have NEVER had a virus infection and I doubt that I ever will. I will continue
to get mail from people who do have viruses on their machines. The current problem
I had did not affect my computer at all. It did however affect the mail server which
hosts my domain - a Unix box. The affect was that it threw a spaz when I got
250MBytes of mail an day. No security updates would help that. Their system is
set up to have limits on disk usage and if I approach that limit they e-mail me but
continue to let me use more. The limit I have for each users mail box is 20 MBytes
but I was using 69MBytes at one stage - I had turned off my computer to add new
hardware so had not downloaded mail for about 15 mins. When I tried to get mail
next their system kept saying that it could not allocate enough space for a temp
folder so mail would not be deleted from the server. That meant that the mail
was not marked as received and I ended up getting it about 10 times before I saw
the problem. I can afford the bandwidth but that bandwidth costs them.

It was a Unix system that was affected - no, they were not infected with the virus
but they were affected none the less.



Given the repeated waves of viruses, it's pretty obvious that new users just
won't stop doing stupid things on the internet. Learn how to cope.

I have learnt how to cope. What I don't do it make stupid statements to people
which implies that if they only used non MS OSs then they would not be affected
by viruses. This misinformation is misleading at best and probably dangerous if
said to novice users from someone they "think" knows what he is talking about.

Chrissy.