how do i enable the old menu bar

The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.

Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct…

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.

It's free elsewhere.


"J Walker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct.

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that
they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have
spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years
now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.

The new interface was widely touted. Office is not inexpensive. If you
didn't read anything at all about the new version, it's your own fault. I am
so tired of people who do not accept responsibility for their own actions,
even down to buying software. It's always someone's else's fault if we
aren't satisfied.

As for the ribbon - get used to it because I really doubt that it's going
away.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct…

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that
they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have
spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years
now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.

Had you come here to check first, you would have found all your observations
discussed many times over, but you are still not doing your homework? If you
want to restore the menus using the add-in, that portion of the add-in is
free.

No-one is forcing you to purchase anything - and Patrick's excellent ribbon
customizer has nothing to do with Microsoft.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



J Walker wrote:
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its
customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have
included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an
additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years
now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done
more research before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to be retrained.

J, there are a vast number of experienced Office customers who completely
agree with you. Perhaps the more we proclaim that "the Emperor wears no
clothes", the sooner Microsoft will wake up and smell the coffee and fix the
interface for Office 2007. The ribbon does have a couple of good features
but overall I find it cumbersome and irritating: when I've tried performing
the same tasks in Excel 2007 that I have in prior versions, it actually takes
me more time and mindless keystrokes. Even with the third party menus, the
new dialogue boxes still exist and the full functionality isn't there. As a
result, I've "upgraded" back to Excel 2000 and PowerPoint 2000 and consigned
the Office 2007 versions to the rubbish heap. I only keep them around in
case someone sends me a 2007 file that I can't open.

As for Patrick Schmid's free menus, I purchased the third party ones before
I was aware of them, sometime around mid-April 2007. I also see that he was
chastised for "caving" in to people's requests for menus. Warning bells
should be going off all over Microsoft at this point, but so far it all
appears to be falling on deaf ears.

Incidentally, a lot of large corporations I work with are postponing their
"upgrade" to Office 2007 until this issue is resolved. Maybe Microsoft will
start listening to customers now.

joe_btfsplk

"J Walker" wrote:

Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct…

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.

Let me ask this -- Was this ribbon really designed with professional
documentation specialists, writers, editors, proofreaders in mind? It looks
like a game interface!

We buy the product for OUR use not for some designer's whim.

We hear: "Try it! You'll like it!" We've tried it; we do NOT like it.

We hate it. We don't want it. We want a TOOL that will keep us productive.
If this is the direction MS is taking with its "tools," then Hello,
WordPerfect!

I hope they will devise a "classic menus" feature for the service pack. It
would be a mistake not to. I can tell you one international company that
will not move toward the product.





"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.

"Tony Jollans" wrote:

There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk
being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut.

You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own
accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some
built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still
work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I
can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases
and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has
already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ...
or ...

... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do
the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that
can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is
yours.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
It probably does, it just isn't my habit.

I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but
here
is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my
productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back
to
typing from picking up my mouse.

By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office
2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office
97
2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself
who
would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and
tracked.
Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users
who
did?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive
with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why
they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base
(at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I
hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't
being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows
version.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is
painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release
Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in
2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and
you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while
(after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you
find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times
end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users,
but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on
what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I
think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are
the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how
you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me
a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not
wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life
easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything
you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this
post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of
the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading
though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for
Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions
for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007.
If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that
has
an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will
have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:
http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to
be
retrained.

Just adding my 2 cents to the equation. I'm an ergonomist, and I can tell you
after dealing with several clients, including my own mistake to purchase this
supposed "upgrade" in service, I cannot understand the ridiculous design of
the ribbon feature. It is not a matter of simply getting used to a new
system, but a complete lack of human factors consideration, increasing the
amount of work (yes, even after learning the system) to achieve the same
outcome. Microsoft has truly hurt itself with this design and their lack of
response in addressing it. Let the chips fall where they may.

"Old Lady Tries" wrote:



"Tony Jollans" wrote:

There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk
being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut.

You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own
accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some
built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still
work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I
can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases
and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has
already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ...
or ...

... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do
the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that
can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is
yours.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
It probably does, it just isn't my habit.

I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but
here
is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my
productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back
to
typing from picking up my mouse.

By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office
2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office
97
2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself
who
would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and
tracked.
Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users
who
did?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive
with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why
they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base
(at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I
hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't
being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows
version.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is
painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release
Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in
2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and
you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while
(after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you
find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times
end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users,
but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on
what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I
think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are
the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how
you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me
a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not
wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life
easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything
you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this
post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of
the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading
though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for
Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions
for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007.
If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that
has
an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will
have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:
http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to
be
retrained.