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how do i enable the old menu bar
I am really not interested in learning how to ususe the same commands that I
have always used. This is the second time that MS has done this tom me. I use Office because it is what i know. If I wanted a program that did something different I would go to Lotus or OpenOffice. My brother has been using a new product by AutoDesk that he says is terrible, but is touted as the next great thing. Are view is that if both of your comapies don't produce something else to charge $700 per license every other year, where are your incomes going to come from? I'm not interested in supporting MS. If they cannot come up with somenting that I want, i do not want to pay for it. Does anybody want to trade my MS Office 2007, for some previous version? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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The Arrogance of Microsoft
I agree with you. May be you should at least start warning other people about
M...t products - as I already have. --- "J Walker" wrote: The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. I’ve used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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On Feb 10, 3:04*am, bmur wrote:
I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is nooldmenubar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. And the default output is docx, yuck. In every version of Word they dumb it down and foul up some good features (eg mail merge and the exact width of table columns were loused up in W2003). The only good thing I found in 2007 is I can customise my paste special to default to unformatted text. Fortunately to create or fix my tables (except where they have highlighted text), or do global changes in headers/footers, and a lot of other issues, I can open the file in OpenOffice without any problems. At least the OO design team seem to listen to the users, they produce a version that fits on my USB drive so wherever I go I have my customizations all set up and they print PDFs automatically in the same page size as the original document - something Adobe don't, and works with real XML. Now if OO would just fit a Shift+F3 toggle and fix a couple of other minor issues, I would be happy ;-) Mi Tasol |
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On Feb 10, 6:35*pm, Mi Tasol wrote:
Yep - it has nearly all been said. *My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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And it is still quite possible to set table columns to an exact width.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 6:35 pm, Mi Tasol wrote: Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend
it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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In the user interface, you cannot modify the ribbon in Word 2007. You'll
need Patrick Schmid's ribbon customizer at http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer (the link is actually included in an earlier message in this thread). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "David C. Wood" David C. wrote in message ... I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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What I would like to know is if MS is still gathering statistics, what do
they look like? Is there any noticeable improvement in efficiency? Have users started to use more advanced features? Do the average users still enter a [Return] at the end of each line. Do more users paginate? Do user use Styles to structure the appearance of their documents or do they still use [Space] and [Tab] to change the appearance? Are more users using watermarks, inserting graphics or OLE objects? Questionable Statistics are a result of selecting to use only certain data sets that support the preconceived opinion or structuring the questions to give the desired results. David C. Wood "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? Yes, I am more productive and faster. I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported. Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old menu/toolbar system somewhat back... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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