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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
Emrys Davies wrote:
Found that now: "Recover Text from any file" and working on it. Recovered some text which is somewhat jumbled, but I am getting there slowly. I think that the floppy is too corrupted, but not much has been lost. In any case most of the information, if not all, is on another floppy. Thanks, Emrys Davies. Don't even think of opening the document(s) directly from your backup floppy or that will corrupt also. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
... Can you open the documents via the Open dialog box (File | Open)? No, that failed, although some jumbled text was revealed. However, I have been able to recover the lost data from 'bits and pieces'. I have fully formatted the disk and it is working now that I am following the correct procedures as advised by the forum. I also have back-up engaged. Would you answer this question for me as it will help my learning curve. I now know (and am following religiously) that I must not save a Word document directly to a floppy and that if I use a floppy I must copy a file to it from where it is saved on the hard drive. If I do the latter, why is it now safe to open the file from the floppy, directly? Also, I did my Word studies some eight years ago and I cannot recall being given any anti corruption advice about floppy disks, although I did obtain City & Guilds in Word level 1 and 2, so that prompts me to ask, in the nicest possible way, if there has been a big learning curve re Word in the meantime. Thanks a lot Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
... In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either). When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
This relates primarily to Word and covers (to some extent) *all* removable
media. You should not save directly to them nor open directly from them. Always work from the HD. There's even a setting on the Save tab of Tools | Options to "Make local copy of files stored on network or removable drives." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Emrys Davies" wrote in message ... "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either). When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
Never save directly to removable media - period.
-- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] ~~~~~ How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 "Emrys Davies" wrote in message ... "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either). When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
The observation only relates to Word - though I would not reply solely on a
Flash Drive for anything that is mission critical as they are not invulnerable to corrupting or dying and the data does have a limited life. It would be better to back up to a CDR or DVDR and use verify to ensure they files are correctly written. Terry "Emrys Davies" wrote in message ... "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either). When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
Emrys Davies wrote:
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either). When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only? Thanks, Emrys Davies. The advice is specific for Word (although there may be some other programs that behave similarly) and mostly for floppies (but with some caveats for other removable media). The big problem with Word and floppy disks comes from the way Word uses temporary files (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). There are a number of temp files, some of them as large as the document itself, that Word must keep in the same folder as the original document. With the limited capacity of floppy disks, the total size of the document and its temp files can easily exceed that capacity. If that happens, Word behaves badly, and irretrievably corrupted documents are the result. On a USB drive or other gigabyte-or-larger removable media, this specific kind of problem is unlikely (although theoretically still possible, as it would also be on a nearly full hard drive). The danger here is that you may forget that you have a document open -- maybe in a minimized window -- and remove the drive. That, too, can result in a corrupted document. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
... They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly to a floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to extract the text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in the Open dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm Susanne, A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying. Other advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated. Just one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10 minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for the likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your thoughts on that please? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more often they are made (up to a point), the better. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Emrys Davies" wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly to a floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to extract the text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in the Open dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm Susanne, A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying. Other advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated. Just one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10 minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for the likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your thoughts on that please? Thanks, Emrys Davies. |
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Cannot open floopy disk in Word
"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
... "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Can you open the documents via the Open dialog box (File | Open)? No, that failed, although some jumbled text was revealed. However, I have been able to recover the lost data from 'bits and pieces'. I have fully formatted the disk and it is working now that I am following the correct procedures as advised by the forum. I also have back-up engaged. Would you answer this question for me as it will help my learning curve. I now know (and am following religiously) that I must not save a Word document directly to a floppy and that if I use a floppy I must copy a file to it from where it is saved on the hard drive. If I do the latter, why is it now safe to open the file from the floppy, directly? The reason why you should never open files from, or save files to, a floppy disk is that there isn't enough space for Word's temporary files on the floppy, which may cause corruption. However, you can still *copy* files to or from a floppy if you want to move it (even though USB sticks are safer, and can store a lot more data). Also, I did my Word studies some eight years ago and I cannot recall being given any anti corruption advice about floppy disks, although I did obtain City & Guilds in Word level 1 and 2, so that prompts me to ask, in the nicest possible way, if there has been a big learning curve re Word in the meantime. Eight years ago, floppy disks were pretty much what was available (to ordinary users, at least). I guess that explains why nobody warned for them... :-) Seriously speaking, files are more complex in recent versions of Word. They are also larger (this does not apply to files created in the new file formats of Office 2007, though). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP Thanks a lot Emrys Davies. |
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