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  #21  
Old August 22nd, 2007, 05:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
ALeiS
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Default Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes

Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.) Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm




  #22  
Old August 22nd, 2007, 03:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
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Default Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes

I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched from
keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh
and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of
efficiency, or at least felt like I did.

My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While
you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word
highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a closer
look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or
double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the application
you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma.
I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow
is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things
better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note that
you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you
never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could use
this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything
since the type of work you do is crucial):

- On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight
button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter off.
(The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in
the following steps.)
- Press F5 to open Find
- Click the Replace tab
- Click the More button at the bottom
- In the Find What text box type a comma
- Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and then
click OK
- Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special
button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text box)
- With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format
button and then click Highlight
- Click Replace All

The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied are
highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted areas
in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text
Highlight button and then click None.

It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not
sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to in
order to automate the process.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use
them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to
record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in
the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.)
Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same
time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the
same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I
will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few
spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free
to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who
are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give
you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James.
I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot
like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than
what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one
of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the
attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows
the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm






  #23  
Old August 23rd, 2007, 02:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes

Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no

understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'


I am the author of the article. I used WordPerfect for many years and there
are many WP features I still occasionally miss, but Reveal Codes is rarely
one of them; I found the inline codes usually more troublesome than helpful,
especially when they were reduplicated many times.

As a copy editor and typesetter, I do have to be anal about whether or not
commas are italicized, though in mainstream publishing the convention is to
italicize a comma following an italicized word rather than the reverse. Note
that if you double-click to select a word to italicize, Word will italicize
a space after it but *not* any punctuation; that makes my job harder but
yours easier.

FWIW, I have reread this article and fail to find any trace of
condescension, but I suppose that must be in the eyes of the beholder.

"Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut

Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces.


I guess you must not have given up on the article too soon because item #1
(yes, that's right, the very first point) says:

“The most important one is display of nonprinting characters. The Show/Hide
¶ button on the Standard toolbar toggles this display on and off.


“The meaning of each of the nonprinting characters (or 'formatting marks,'
as they are known in Word 2000 and 2002), is explained in ‘What do all those
funny marks, like the dots between the words in my document, and the square
bullets in the left margin, mean?’ With these symbols displayed, it is much
easier to find out that, for example, your document is printing an extra
blank page because you have half a dozen empty paragraphs at the end.”

The referenced (linked) article is an exhaustive discussion of the meaning
of all the nonprinting characters.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"ALeiS" wrote in message
news
Taz, et al.:

Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the
problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at

a
time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is
necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic

or
legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the

correct
citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is

often
italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT

italicized.
I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did.
Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word

for
some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats

any
easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of

the
citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but

the
document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the
case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format
from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and
unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because

you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire

word,
so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the

reason
I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it.

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN

tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people

who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether

a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money,

custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but

trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage

the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.

Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no

understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'

Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care

about
are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing
hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number

of
spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing
spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot
inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't

even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut

Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing
characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the

correct
number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal

non-printing
characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens
(a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get
points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about
"reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a
citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together
despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other
alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the

final
proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues.

Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are

all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.

Thanks anyway.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is

italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as

Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be

necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the

button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style

will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many

people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been

forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool,

but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of

*different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering

there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?

For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,

bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a

real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by

glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one

of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a

comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the

attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same

time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows

the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
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Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the

reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.

Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's

why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see

every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what

is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes

cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal

ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be

able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have

reveal codes!





  #24  
Old August 23rd, 2007, 02:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes

Note also that a shortcut for applying formatting in the Find dialog is to
use the same keyboard shortcuts used in the text. For example, press Ctrl+I
once to get Format: Font: Italic. Press Ctrl+I again to get Format: Font:
Not Italic. A third time removes the formatting. The same can be done with
Ctrl+B, Ctrl+U, Ctrl+Shift+A, Ctrl+Shift+K, etc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched

from
keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh
and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of
efficiency, or at least felt like I did.

My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While
you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word
highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a

closer
look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or
double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the

application
you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma.
I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow
is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things
better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note

that
you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you
never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could

use
this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything
since the type of work you do is crucial):

- On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight
button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter

off.
(The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in
the following steps.)
- Press F5 to open Find
- Click the Replace tab
- Click the More button at the bottom
- In the Find What text box type a comma
- Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and

then
click OK
- Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special
button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text

box)
- With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format
button and then click Highlight
- Click Replace All

The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied

are
highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted

areas
in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text
Highlight button and then click None.

It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not
sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to

in
order to automate the process.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the

standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use
them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to
record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in
the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving

my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.)
Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it

will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of

a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same
time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the
same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I
will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few
spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel

free
to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who
are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give
you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then

perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit &

James.
I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot
like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than
what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available

too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the

font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by

glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not

one
of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the
attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the

same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows
the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm






  #25  
Old August 23rd, 2007, 03:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Don Ellis
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Posts: 19
Default Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes


Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a
new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us in
late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the
inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try
again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 05:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
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Yeah, that makes sense, they would need a different add-in for Word 2007.
Thanks for the update. :-)

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"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a
new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us
in
late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the
inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try
again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton



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Old August 24th, 2007, 07:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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If you are feeling really adventurous, DOCX is an XML format document in a
compressed format. You could open that format with a decompression tool such
as WinRar and view the resulting codes directly from the document

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Don Ellis wrote:
Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will
have a new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check
back with us in late September, we should have it for release by
then. Sorry for the inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly
try again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton



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Old May 11th, 2009, 07:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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Dear Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant - Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified,

I’ve read the articles; I’ve read all the comments for this subject matter.
I am very frustrated and agree in “most” with Mr. AleiS communications! This
is ridiculous & many of the communications he received in return was done so
with bad taste and irresponsive to his direct query.

I commonly receive word documents that are pre-formatted (Pre-designed style
templates from word) that often contain cell errors! Example: The format in
one cell is varied from the balance. I now understand the reason reveal
formatting in Word 07 is worthless in correcting what seemed to be simple
flaws. I made the mistake of attempting to correct an error in a time
sensitive document this AM and here I am posting this comment because of such.

Thank goodness I have a secretary that can take the “TIME” to correct the
changes, by redoing the documents from scratch!

I have ordered to my IT department to pilot your add on suggestion in hopes
this feature will work. For this I/we thank you in advance for this
suggestion.

Regards,
General Manager of US Corporate Services


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

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Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
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Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!



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Old August 19th, 2009, 08:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Bonnie[_3_]
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CyberTaz:

Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect.
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it, even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up
the good work in helping people on this site.
--
Bonnie Lynn Green


"CyberTaz" wrote:

I don't expect to change your mind about Word & won't even endeavor to do
so, other than to point out that there are myriad features within the
program of which you seem to be unaware and unwilling to learn. It's your
prerogative to do so, just remember that the first word in your original
post was "Help." That's what the people here are trying to do.

With reference to that there are a few comments in-line below:


On 8/18/07 7:42 PM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:
snip

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.


It is a sad and frightening indictment of the legal system & the people
within it if italicized commas are pivotal in determining the outcome in any
of these issues, let alone the life or death of a human being. I was always
under the impression that the time crunch in the legal arena was due to case
load rather than time being spent examining commas through a magnifying
glass. Perhaps the system & its cadre should be under even more intense
scrutiny than the paperwork they shuffle.


Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'


Yes, I've read it several times. Further, as a 12-year user & trainer of
WordPerfect (including the Legal Office version) I drew none of the same
conclusions about the article or its author. All that notwithstanding, the
individual who referred you to the article *isn't* the one who wrote it -
your sarcasm was directed toward Dian.


Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.


The only suspicions which have been confirmed are that some people refuse to
learn how to get it done and choose to snipe at and dismiss those who offer
assistance. Before slinging more accusations alleging "condescending tone"
you might re-read the last sentence in the above quote - as well as a number
of others throughout your posts. Your insinuation & innuendo that the
contributors to this forum are any less demanding or conscientious about
their work than those in "your profession" are overly abundant, and to
further suggest that they are unable to "appreciate the real issue" is at
once offensive and insulting.


Thanks anyway.

snip

You're most certainly welcome [he replied with an equal flavoring of
dismissive, off-handed insincerity].

--
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,

wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!






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Old August 19th, 2009, 09:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28*pm, Bonnie wrote:
CyberTaz:

Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. *I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. *I was one of those who did not under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. *
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. *I really like it, even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. *Keep up
the good work in helping people on this site.
--
Bonnie Lynn Green

 




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