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December 16th, 2006, 05:20 AM
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. 
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December 17th, 2006, 04:15 AM
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how do i enable the old menu bar
It probably does, it just isn't my habit.
I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.
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December 17th, 2006, 04:24 AM
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Microsoft claims that their statistics were inclusive of power users,
but I doubt it. To read more about what MS has told us and what I think about that: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/14/66 I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my Can you explain what you mean with order of keystrokes? There is one for the Ribbon, so I am wondering... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
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December 17th, 2006, 08:17 AM
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how do i enable the old menu bar
By "order of keystrokes", I assume that you mean shortcut key combinations.
I think that you will find that most, if not all of them, are unchanged from previous versions. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.
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December 17th, 2006, 10:16 AM
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There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.
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December 17th, 2006, 04:32 PM
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The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key for
the option changes based on what is seen? I hate customization b/c I wanted to learn where things were located. If you customize you can't help someone else as easily. I have helped people in the past by talking them through keystrokes over the phone. That sounds like a lost procedure now. "Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.
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The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key
for the option changes based on what is seen? On the QAT, yes. Alt,1 (that is Alt followed by 1 - which is not the same as Alt+1 together although Alt+1 together will work if it is not assigned to anything else) is the hotkey for the first icon on the QAT, Alt, 2 the second one, and so on up to Alt,9 then Alt,0,9 then - well, I'll let you look for yourself; the prompts for keys when you press Alt are quite handy. Shortcuts for items on the Ribbon are, as far as I know, consistent but exactly what appears on screen depends on what will fit depending on screen resolution and window size. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key for the option changes based on what is seen? I hate customization b/c I wanted to learn where things were located. If you customize you can't help someone else as easily. I have helped people in the past by talking them through keystrokes over the phone. That sounds like a lost procedure now. "Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.
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March 6th, 2007, 07:05 AM
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In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and
install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again.
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March 7th, 2007, 04:00 PM
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Kevin,
Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again.
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