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#11
January 16th, 2007, 07:50 PM
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But it was never intended as a substitute for ordinary saving. Here is the
description of the feature from the Word 2.0 manual: "If you have Automatic Save selected, Word saves your document for you at specific intervals. If there's a power outage or system failure, you can retrieve your work from the autosave backup files. "The first time Word performs an autosave backup, it saves the entire document. For subsequent backups, Word saves only those parts of the document that have changed since the last save. The first autosave may take a moment, but later backups are fast and hardly noticeable as you work. Automatic Save dot not take the place of the Save or Save All commands. These commands completely save and update the versions of a document on disk each time you choose them. "Word creates autosave backup files as necessary. Any time you choose the Save command, Word deletes the autosave backup file for the document you're saving. Word creates the files again at the next autosave interval for documents active at that time. If you choose Save All *or quit Word*, Word deletes all of the autosave backup files." [Emphasis added.] This is no different from AutoRecover. If you intentionally closed a document or quit Word without saving, the autosave backup was deleted. The manual goes on to indicate that Word also saves you from losing your work by your computer's running out of memory and specifies that "in case of a power failure or other trouble with your computer, you can open an autosave backup file the next time you start Word." There is no indication that this was meant to be a substitute for manual saving or to protect users from negligence. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 
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January 17th, 2007, 12:53 AM
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I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a
file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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#14
January 17th, 2007, 04:05 PM
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I'm with you John and I suspect so are thousands of users who have suffered
an avoidable loss of hours of work. Your idea seems great to me!!! May your tribe increase. Roy "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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January 17th, 2007, 04:37 PM
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They did introduce an AutoSave option in Word 2000 in an add-in,
Macros9.dot - it's the SaveReminderInstall macro. Once the add-in is installed then under the Tools menu you'll find the Save reminder options, save automatically or prompt to save at a specificed interval of time. If you can obtain a copy of the template then it still works through Word 2007. (Note it may still work in Word 2007 but it has an expired digital signture and Word 2007 prevents the macros from being enabled in this situation. You have to remove the digital signature from the project in order to allow the macros to run. I haven't tested it past that point.) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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January 17th, 2007, 05:38 PM
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The SaveReminder add-in is available at http://www.gmayor.com/downloads.htm,
to which there is a link at http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... They did introduce an AutoSave option in Word 2000 in an add-in, Macros9.dot - it's the SaveReminderInstall macro. Once the add-in is installed then under the Tools menu you'll find the Save reminder options, save automatically or prompt to save at a specificed interval of time. If you can obtain a copy of the template then it still works through Word 2007. (Note it may still work in Word 2007 but it has an expired digital signture and Word 2007 prevents the macros from being enabled in this situation. You have to remove the digital signature from the project in order to allow the macros to run. I haven't tested it past that point.) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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January 17th, 2007, 07:04 PM
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Sounds good to me - Does this work ok with Word 2003?
Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The SaveReminder add-in is available at http://www.gmayor.com/downloads.htm, to which there is a link at http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... They did introduce an AutoSave option in Word 2000 in an add-in, Macros9.dot - it's the SaveReminderInstall macro. Once the add-in is installed then under the Tools menu you'll find the Save reminder options, save automatically or prompt to save at a specificed interval of time. If you can obtain a copy of the template then it still works through Word 2007. (Note it may still work in Word 2007 but it has an expired digital signture and Word 2007 prevents the macros from being enabled in this situation. You have to remove the digital signature from the project in order to allow the macros to run. I haven't tested it past that point.) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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Thanks Beth - much appreciated; I'll have alook at this immediately, using
Susan's link Roy "Beth Melton" wrote: They did introduce an AutoSave option in Word 2000 in an add-in, Macros9.dot - it's the SaveReminderInstall macro. Once the add-in is installed then under the Tools menu you'll find the Save reminder options, save automatically or prompt to save at a specificed interval of time. If you can obtain a copy of the template then it still works through Word 2007. (Note it may still work in Word 2007 but it has an expired digital signture and Word 2007 prevents the macros from being enabled in this situation. You have to remove the digital signature from the project in order to allow the macros to run. I haven't tested it past that point.) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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I tested it for Word 2003 and it worked fine. The only version I haven't
tested is Word 2007. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Sounds good to me - Does this work ok with Word 2003? Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The SaveReminder add-in is available at http://www.gmayor.com/downloads.htm, to which there is a link at http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm
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Yes, it does. The only "consideration" is that this is a Macro that runs a
VBA "timer". VBA can have only one timer operating at a time, so if this is running, any other macro that contains a timer will fail. However, there are extremely few macros that contain timers, and those that do are rarely left running for long. So it's not normally a problem. Cheers On 18/1/07 6:04 AM, in article , "roybaylis" wrote: Sounds good to me - Does this work ok with Word 2003? Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The SaveReminder add-in is available at http://www.gmayor.com/downloads.htm, to which there is a link at http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... They did introduce an AutoSave option in Word 2000 in an add-in, Macros9.dot - it's the SaveReminderInstall macro. Once the add-in is installed then under the Tools menu you'll find the Save reminder options, save automatically or prompt to save at a specificed interval of time. If you can obtain a copy of the template then it still works through Word 2007. (Note it may still work in Word 2007 but it has an expired digital signture and Word 2007 prevents the macros from being enabled in this situation. You have to remove the digital signature from the project in order to allow the macros to run. I haven't tested it past that point.) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Well, there were several design bugs in AutoRecovery. The first was that it only operated if Word crashed. There was no way to recover from inadvertent USER changes. The other was that in the past, any given autorecover file contained only PART of the document. You could never get the whole of the document and the content was often out of sequence. And there were no explicit instructions in the Help to enable an ordinary user to find and recover their Autorecover file. A decent autosave mechanism would save the document under a recognisable name, in an advertised location, and keep at least a week's worth of data, enabling the user to specify how long to keep data for, and to delete all backups of a sensitive file on demand. If they've fixed all that, I will stop complaining about it :-) Cheers On 17/1/07 11:53 AM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: I agree with Suzanne, Word has never had an option to automatically save a file without using the SaveReminder add-in. Additionally, I also have to disagree with you on how AutoRecover works. It doesn't use a log file, it creates a Word document and saves it just like any other document you would create and save. The document doesn't have to be saved in order for AutoRecover to save an autorecover copy. It creates a Word document each time the AutoRecover save kicks in but it's saved to your AutoRecover folder with an *.asd file extension. From what I've been able ascertain, it uses the same Save methods as when saving a document, i.e. build temp file, delete original (for subsequent saves), move temp file to orginal, delete temp file. The only difference is when you close the document Word will automatically delete the AutoRecovery save version. It may have worked differently in older versions, such as save only the modifications, but this is how it works now. (Note I shouldn't say "now" since I believe the AutoReover function has changed for Word 2007 - I'm still investigating it.) You can test this for yourself: - Create a new document (do not save it) - Wait for AutoRecover save (you'll see it in the status bar) - Check your AutoRecover folder and file the file. - Copy the autorecover file to another location (so Word doesn't delete it) - Change the file extension to *.doc and double-click to open it (or open it directly in Word) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Beth: Yeah: Take it away! And bring back the old mechanism that used to work. If we must, rename the useless one to "Change logging." Because that's what it does: it logs the changes to a file. But only if the file has already been saved :-) Cheers On 16/1/07 2:55 PM, in article , "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant Technical Writer. Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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