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  #1  
Old November 1st, 2008, 04:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
fh
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Posts: 21
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest changes
(i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface back). I could not
find an email link for feature suggestions or commentary on the help page. I
seriously cannot work with the Ribbon anymore. Today is the last day I will
put up with it (At least at home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when
working with some clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt 2007
because of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
"features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I have been
using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot of great features
I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of them. I don't care if it's
there - as long as the old menu is also there, too. I have a lot more things
to say and arguments to make, but I'll save them for the relevant parties. If
anyone knows the proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI team -
or at least someone who could pass along the message - please post.


----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc
  #2  
Old November 1st, 2008, 05:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook][_5_]
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Posts: 4,690
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

Office 2007 is out of development and I doubt they will do anything to
revert to the old kludgy menu system. Office 14 will feature more
applications with Ribboning (like the Outlook main window) to my
understanding.

Even Windows will begin to use that interface.

I suggest that you either revert to Office 2003 or earlier or use the
tutorials here to assist your learning curve:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...CL100788241033

There are also add-ins that will revert Office 2007 to the earlier menu
system - one free add-in is available from http://www.pschmid.net

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, FH asked:

| I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest
| changes (i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface
| back). I could not find an email link for feature suggestions or
| commentary on the help page. I seriously cannot work with the Ribbon
| anymore. Today is the last day I will put up with it (At least at
| home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when working with some
| clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt 2007 because
| of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
| "features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I
| have been using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot
| of great features I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of
| them. I don't care if it's there - as long as the old menu is also
| there, too. I have a lot more things to say and arguments to make,
| but I'll save them for the relevant parties. If anyone knows the
| proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI team - or at
| least someone who could pass along the message - please post.
|
|
| ----------------
| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
| suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
| the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
| button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
| Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc


  #3  
Old November 1st, 2008, 07:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
fh
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 21
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
addresses. Even a generic one. I know about the third party utilities. I will
not pay more for something that I think should be included by default (the
lite version of that program isn't as good as I need it to be.)

I have posted in the past here concerning the ribbon and I don't think that
it helps anyone to use the continuous ad-hominems you MVP's like to throw
around like "after frustrating head scratching." Is it not possible that some
people don't like ribbon for good reasons? Ribbon-cheering will only make it
worse (if something else isn't there) and I think will hurt Microsoft as a
company in the long run. All of this looks very bad to me going forward,
especially since the ribbon-guy is working on the UI for W7, as I understand
it. You are blind if you think that there is not a (rather large) contingent
of people out there that do not have *good* reasons for not-liking the
ribbon. These people consider the *ribbon* to be the kludgy interface.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Office 2007 is out of development and I doubt they will do anything to
revert to the old kludgy menu system. Office 14 will feature more
applications with Ribboning (like the Outlook main window) to my
understanding.

Even Windows will begin to use that interface.

I suggest that you either revert to Office 2003 or earlier or use the
tutorials here to assist your learning curve:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...CL100788241033

There are also add-ins that will revert Office 2007 to the earlier menu
system - one free add-in is available from http://www.pschmid.net

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, FH asked:

| I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest
| changes (i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface
| back). I could not find an email link for feature suggestions or
| commentary on the help page. I seriously cannot work with the Ribbon
| anymore. Today is the last day I will put up with it (At least at
| home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when working with some
| clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt 2007 because
| of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
| "features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I
| have been using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot
| of great features I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of
| them. I don't care if it's there - as long as the old menu is also
| there, too. I have a lot more things to say and arguments to make,
| but I'll save them for the relevant parties. If anyone knows the
| proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI team - or at
| least someone who could pass along the message - please post.
|
|
| ----------------
| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
| suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
| the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
| button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
| Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc



  #4  
Old November 1st, 2008, 08:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Telstar
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Posts: 87
Default Complaining about the Ribbon


"FH" wrote in message
...
While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
addresses.


This will do no good. The Ribbon has been permanently adopted across all
future programs, including Windows 7, and is considered an improvement.
Your feeling is meaningless.

  #5  
Old November 1st, 2008, 08:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Ben M. Schorr - MVP (OneNote)
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Posts: 869
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

Microsoft is aware that some people don't like the Ribbon.

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
http://www.officeforlawyers.com
Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007:
http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q



"FH" wrote in message
:

While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
addresses. Even a generic one. I know about the third party utilities. I will
not pay more for something that I think should be included by default (the
lite version of that program isn't as good as I need it to be.)

I have posted in the past here concerning the ribbon and I don't think that
it helps anyone to use the continuous ad-hominems you MVP's like to throw
around like "after frustrating head scratching." Is it not possible that some
people don't like ribbon for good reasons? Ribbon-cheering will only make it
worse (if something else isn't there) and I think will hurt Microsoft as a
company in the long run. All of this looks very bad to me going forward,
especially since the ribbon-guy is working on the UI for W7, as I understand
it. You are blind if you think that there is not a (rather large) contingent
of people out there that do not have *good* reasons for not-liking the
ribbon. These people consider the *ribbon* to be the kludgy interface.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:


Office 2007 is out of development and I doubt they will do anything to
revert to the old kludgy menu system. Office 14 will feature more
applications with Ribboning (like the Outlook main window) to my
understanding.

Even Windows will begin to use that interface.

I suggest that you either revert to Office 2003 or earlier or use the
tutorials here to assist your learning curve:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...CL100788241033

There are also add-ins that will revert Office 2007 to the earlier menu
system - one free add-in is available from http://www.pschmid.net

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, FH asked:

| I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest
| changes (i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface
| back). I could not find an email link for feature suggestions or
| commentary on the help page. I seriously cannot work with the Ribbon
| anymore. Today is the last day I will put up with it (At least at
| home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when working with some
| clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt 2007 because
| of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
| "features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I
| have been using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot
| of great features I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of
| them. I don't care if it's there - as long as the old menu is also
| there, too. I have a lot more things to say and arguments to make,
| but I'll save them for the relevant parties. If anyone knows the
| proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI team - or at
| least someone who could pass along the message - please post.
|
|
| ----------------
| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
| suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
| the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
| button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
| Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc




  #6  
Old November 1st, 2008, 10:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
fh
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Posts: 21
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

Says who? Companies yield to pressure from consumers all the time. And I am
afraid you don't know what meaningless means.

"Telstar" wrote:


"FH" wrote in message
...
While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
addresses.


This will do no good. The Ribbon has been permanently adopted across all
future programs, including Windows 7, and is considered an improvement.
Your feeling is meaningless.


  #7  
Old November 1st, 2008, 10:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
fh
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Posts: 21
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

I'm looking for this: an email address that I can use to make suggestions
about office. Not a request for technical help.

"FH" wrote:

I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest changes
(i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface back). I could not
find an email link for feature suggestions or commentary on the help page. I
seriously cannot work with the Ribbon anymore. Today is the last day I will
put up with it (At least at home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when
working with some clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt 2007
because of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
"features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I have been
using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot of great features
I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of them. I don't care if it's
there - as long as the old menu is also there, too. I have a lot more things
to say and arguments to make, but I'll save them for the relevant parties. If
anyone knows the proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI team -
or at least someone who could pass along the message - please post.


----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc

  #8  
Old November 1st, 2008, 10:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook][_5_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,690
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

1. "After furious head scratching" is a part of my generic quote - please
feel free to review any of my thousands of other posts using the same quote.
It is not personal. I don't know you so why should I make a personal
comment just to you? Besides, I don't know of a single other MVP who uses
the same quoting style.

2. The add-in I referred you to is free - no cost, nada, zilch, nothing,
completely usable without payment. If you want the full program, you will
need to pay. Microsoft is not taking any backward steps on this. Their
reasoning, while perhaps not acceptable to some users, is well supported.
See point number three.

3. The only contact addresses that you will be able to use are the generic
ones that say "contact us" or something to that effect. No one is going to
give you a direct e-mail contact in Microsoft since the GUI is not
controlled by only one person. Even if I knew one, which I don't, I don't
work for Microsoft.

The one address that you can post a comment on is
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh who was the chief architect of the 2007 GUI.
However, I don't know if that blog is currently being monitored.

You might want to stop to read WHY the menu system was discontinued as well
to give some perpective about the change and why it was inevitable.

4. Have you reviewed the 2003--2007 tutorials that I posted the link for?

Suggestions to improve the Ribbon will most likely be more acceptable than a
demand to return to what clearly would not work going forward.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, FH asked:

| While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
| addresses. Even a generic one. I know about the third party
| utilities. I will not pay more for something that I think should be
| included by default (the lite version of that program isn't as good
| as I need it to be.)
|
| I have posted in the past here concerning the ribbon and I don't
| think that it helps anyone to use the continuous ad-hominems you
| MVP's like to throw around like "after frustrating head scratching."
| Is it not possible that some people don't like ribbon for good
| reasons? Ribbon-cheering will only make it worse (if something else
| isn't there) and I think will hurt Microsoft as a company in the long
| run. All of this looks very bad to me going forward, especially since
| the ribbon-guy is working on the UI for W7, as I understand it. You
| are blind if you think that there is not a (rather large) contingent
| of people out there that do not have *good* reasons for not-liking
| the ribbon. These people consider the *ribbon* to be the kludgy
| interface.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| Office 2007 is out of development and I doubt they will do anything
|| to revert to the old kludgy menu system. Office 14 will feature more
|| applications with Ribboning (like the Outlook main window) to my
|| understanding.
||
|| Even Windows will begin to use that interface.
||
|| I suggest that you either revert to Office 2003 or earlier or use the
|| tutorials here to assist your learning curve:
||
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...CL100788241033
||
|| There are also add-ins that will revert Office 2007 to the earlier
|| menu system - one free add-in is available from
|| http://www.pschmid.net
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
||
||
|| After furious head scratching, FH asked:
||
||| I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to
||| suggest changes (i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003
||| interface back). I could not find an email link for feature
||| suggestions or commentary on the help page. I seriously cannot work
||| with the Ribbon anymore. Today is the last day I will put up with
||| it (At least at home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when
||| working with some clients, although luckily my firm has refused to
||| adopt 2007 because of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office
||| product again that "features" it. The loss of productivity is still
||| staggering, and I have been using it for at least 11 months now.
||| Office 2007 has a lot of great features I have come to love, but
||| the ribbon is not one of them. I don't care if it's there - as long
||| as the old menu is also there, too. I have a lot more things to say
||| and arguments to make, but I'll save them for the relevant parties.
||| If anyone knows the proper email address(es) to contact the Office
||| 07 UI team - or at least someone who could pass along the message -
||| please post.
|||
|||
||| ----------------
||| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
||| the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
||| click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
||| the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
||| Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.
|||
|||
||
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc


  #9  
Old November 1st, 2008, 10:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
fh
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Posts: 21
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

I have suggestions for improvement, but I think such suggestions would fall
on deaf ears here. My feeling is that this is dangerous territory within
which to question the ribbon. I'm not looking for "get over it" replies. I
won't get over it. I will move on to different software. I am a fan of most
of Microsoft's products and consider Office's feature set far superior to
competition, so this is my last resort. What else can I do? The ribbon is
simply a deal breaker for me. I've given it a shot, found it unacceptable,
and have to make a decision. Productivity is what I am after, and ribbon
doesn't deliver. Perhaps for some, but not for me. (I can't think of a more
controversial decision Microsoft has made in recent years.)

If you provide a link for MS's motivation to switch from the 2003 interface
to the ribbon, I will read it, but I can't read through all of Jenson's blog.
Many have said the ribbon is better without providing a single reason why,
save for vague things like usability (without naming why it supposedly
improves usability). Thanks for providing the link to that, by the way. I'll
try to contact him.

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

1. "After furious head scratching" is a part of my generic quote - please
feel free to review any of my thousands of other posts using the same quote.
It is not personal. I don't know you so why should I make a personal
comment just to you? Besides, I don't know of a single other MVP who uses
the same quoting style.

2. The add-in I referred you to is free - no cost, nada, zilch, nothing,
completely usable without payment. If you want the full program, you will
need to pay. Microsoft is not taking any backward steps on this. Their
reasoning, while perhaps not acceptable to some users, is well supported.
See point number three.

3. The only contact addresses that you will be able to use are the generic
ones that say "contact us" or something to that effect. No one is going to
give you a direct e-mail contact in Microsoft since the GUI is not
controlled by only one person. Even if I knew one, which I don't, I don't
work for Microsoft.

The one address that you can post a comment on is
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh who was the chief architect of the 2007 GUI.
However, I don't know if that blog is currently being monitored.

You might want to stop to read WHY the menu system was discontinued as well
to give some perpective about the change and why it was inevitable.

4. Have you reviewed the 2003--2007 tutorials that I posted the link for?

Suggestions to improve the Ribbon will most likely be more acceptable than a
demand to return to what clearly would not work going forward.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, FH asked:

| While I appreciate the advice, I really am looking for contact email
| addresses. Even a generic one. I know about the third party
| utilities. I will not pay more for something that I think should be
| included by default (the lite version of that program isn't as good
| as I need it to be.)
|
| I have posted in the past here concerning the ribbon and I don't
| think that it helps anyone to use the continuous ad-hominems you
| MVP's like to throw around like "after frustrating head scratching."
| Is it not possible that some people don't like ribbon for good
| reasons? Ribbon-cheering will only make it worse (if something else
| isn't there) and I think will hurt Microsoft as a company in the long
| run. All of this looks very bad to me going forward, especially since
| the ribbon-guy is working on the UI for W7, as I understand it. You
| are blind if you think that there is not a (rather large) contingent
| of people out there that do not have *good* reasons for not-liking
| the ribbon. These people consider the *ribbon* to be the kludgy
| interface.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| Office 2007 is out of development and I doubt they will do anything
|| to revert to the old kludgy menu system. Office 14 will feature more
|| applications with Ribboning (like the Outlook main window) to my
|| understanding.
||
|| Even Windows will begin to use that interface.
||
|| I suggest that you either revert to Office 2003 or earlier or use the
|| tutorials here to assist your learning curve:
||
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...CL100788241033
||
|| There are also add-ins that will revert Office 2007 to the earlier
|| menu system - one free add-in is available from
|| http://www.pschmid.net
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
||
||
|| After furious head scratching, FH asked:
||
||| I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to
||| suggest changes (i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003
||| interface back). I could not find an email link for feature
||| suggestions or commentary on the help page. I seriously cannot work
||| with the Ribbon anymore. Today is the last day I will put up with
||| it (At least at home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice when
||| working with some clients, although luckily my firm has refused to
||| adopt 2007 because of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office
||| product again that "features" it. The loss of productivity is still
||| staggering, and I have been using it for at least 11 months now.
||| Office 2007 has a lot of great features I have come to love, but
||| the ribbon is not one of them. I don't care if it's there - as long
||| as the old menu is also there, too. I have a lot more things to say
||| and arguments to make, but I'll save them for the relevant parties.
||| If anyone knows the proper email address(es) to contact the Office
||| 07 UI team - or at least someone who could pass along the message -
||| please post.
|||
|||
||| ----------------
||| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
||| the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
||| click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
||| the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
||| Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.
|||
|||
||
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc



  #10  
Old November 1st, 2008, 03:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.office.misc
JoAnn Paules
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Posts: 10,630
Default Complaining about the Ribbon

There's no one here who will give you an email address. Even if we knew some
Softies' addresses, only a fool would post them on a public newsgroup
without their direct consent.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"FH" wrote in message
...
I'm looking for this: an email address that I can use to make suggestions
about office. Not a request for technical help.

"FH" wrote:

I want to know where I can email the relevant office staff to suggest
changes
(i.e, bringing, or at least allowing, the 2003 interface back). I could
not
find an email link for feature suggestions or commentary on the help
page. I
seriously cannot work with the Ribbon anymore. Today is the last day I
will
put up with it (At least at home... unfortunately, I don't have a choice
when
working with some clients, although luckily my firm has refused to adopt
2007
because of the ribbon.) I won't buy another Office product again that
"features" it. The loss of productivity is still staggering, and I have
been
using it for at least 11 months now. Office 2007 has a lot of great
features
I have come to love, but the ribbon is not one of them. I don't care if
it's
there - as long as the old menu is also there, too. I have a lot more
things
to say and arguments to make, but I'll save them for the relevant
parties. If
anyone knows the proper email address(es) to contact the Office 07 UI
team -
or at least someone who could pass along the message - please post.


----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc


 




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