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freezing the Relationship diagram
When I close/open the relationship diagram, Access redraws all the tables
and links. The Access version has orphaned tables, criss-crossed links, etc. My drawing is much easier to read. Is it possible to freeze the Relationship diagram so Access won't redraw my version? Best, Christopher |
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After you rearrange the relationship window, close it and click Yes when it
asks you to save. Good luck. Sco M.L. "Sco" Scofield, Microsoft Access MVP, MCSD, MCP, MSS, A+ Denver Area Access Users Group Vice President www.DAAUG.org MS Colorado Events Administrator www.MSColoradoEvents.com Useful Metric Conversion #18 of 19: 8 nickels = 2 paradigms (My personal favorite) Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com "Christopher Glaeser" wrote in message ... When I close/open the relationship diagram, Access redraws all the tables and links. The Access version has orphaned tables, criss-crossed links, etc. My drawing is much easier to read. Is it possible to freeze the Relationship diagram so Access won't redraw my version? Best, Christopher |
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After you rearrange the relationship window, close it and click Yes when
it asks you to save. Thanks for the quick response. I always save the changes, but Access often redraws the links. Some of my tables are linked two, three, and four times or more. So, I have Table, Table_1, Table_2, Table_3, etc. I place all the tables nice and neat, with no crossovers. After saving, closing, and then opening the Relationship diagram, Access has turned my neat drawing into unreadable spaghetti. Table_1, Table_2, and Table_3 are now orphaned, and all the links to Table crisscross all over the place, crossing other tables and other links. It's a complete mess!!! Am I doing something wrong? Is it possible to fix this? Best, Christopher |
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Christopher,
No idea. I personally have never heard of this problem. What version of Access are you using? (You never mention that.) Do you have all of the service packs installed for your version? Take a look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303528/EN-US/. There is a possibility that your database has one of those strange, un-repairable corruptions in it. Try importing all of your objects into a brand new mdb file. (This is guaranteed to scramble the relationship window.) Try rearranging a few things and see if they stay rearranged. Good luck. Sco M.L. "Sco" Scofield, Microsoft Access MVP, MCSD, MCP, MSS, A+ Denver Area Access Users Group Vice President www.DAAUG.org MS Colorado Events Administrator www.MSColoradoEvents.com Useful Metric Conversion #18 of 19: 8 nickels = 2 paradigms (My personal favorite) Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com "Christopher Glaeser" wrote in message ... After you rearrange the relationship window, close it and click Yes when it asks you to save. Thanks for the quick response. I always save the changes, but Access often redraws the links. Some of my tables are linked two, three, and four times or more. So, I have Table, Table_1, Table_2, Table_3, etc. I place all the tables nice and neat, with no crossovers. After saving, closing, and then opening the Relationship diagram, Access has turned my neat drawing into unreadable spaghetti. Table_1, Table_2, and Table_3 are now orphaned, and all the links to Table crisscross all over the place, crossing other tables and other links. It's a complete mess!!! Am I doing something wrong? Is it possible to fix this? Best, Christopher |
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No idea. I personally have never heard of this problem.
Interesting. What version of Access are you using? (You never mention that.) 2003. Do you have all of the service packs installed for your version? Take a look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303528/EN-US/. Not sure. I'll check. |
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It's a problem with showing the same table multiple times
in the diagram. Access can't handle diagrams like that very well -- all versions. (david) "M.L. Sco Scofield" wrote in message ... Christopher, No idea. I personally have never heard of this problem. What version of Access are you using? (You never mention that.) Do you have all of the service packs installed for your version? Take a look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303528/EN-US/. There is a possibility that your database has one of those strange, un-repairable corruptions in it. Try importing all of your objects into a brand new mdb file. (This is guaranteed to scramble the relationship window.) Try rearranging a few things and see if they stay rearranged. Good luck. Sco M.L. "Sco" Scofield, Microsoft Access MVP, MCSD, MCP, MSS, A+ Denver Area Access Users Group Vice President www.DAAUG.org MS Colorado Events Administrator www.MSColoradoEvents.com Useful Metric Conversion #18 of 19: 8 nickels = 2 paradigms (My personal favorite) Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com "Christopher Glaeser" wrote in message ... After you rearrange the relationship window, close it and click Yes when it asks you to save. Thanks for the quick response. I always save the changes, but Access often redraws the links. Some of my tables are linked two, three, and four times or more. So, I have Table, Table_1, Table_2, Table_3, etc. I place all the tables nice and neat, with no crossovers. After saving, closing, and then opening the Relationship diagram, Access has turned my neat drawing into unreadable spaghetti. Table_1, Table_2, and Table_3 are now orphaned, and all the links to Table crisscross all over the place, crossing other tables and other links. It's a complete mess!!! Am I doing something wrong? Is it possible to fix this? Best, Christopher |
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It's a problem with showing the same table multiple times
in the diagram. Access can't handle diagrams like that very well -- all versions. Thanks, it's good to know it's not just me or something I did wrong. Access seems to handle multiple instances of tables in Queries (at least all of them seem to be working thus far), but really screws up the Relationship table. I have about 15 tables, and about five of them are linked multiple times. In addition, there may be more than one link between the same two tables. For example, tblMessages is linked twice to tblEmployees, once for TakenBy, and once for AssignedTo. Access has made a complete mess of my Relationship diagram. It's almost to the point of unreadable. If Access would just leave my tables and links alone, it would be very easy to follow the logic. Best, Christopher |
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Remember that the automatic join procedure when creating
queries in design view uses the same list of FK indexes that the relationship view uses: if the relationship window gets confused about how to draw relationships, the query design helper will suffer from the same confusion. The result is that the SQL may include joins that are not immediately apparent from the query design view window. Unexplained non-updatable queries are a common result. (david) "Christopher Glaeser" wrote in message ... It's a problem with showing the same table multiple times in the diagram. Access can't handle diagrams like that very well -- all versions. Thanks, it's good to know it's not just me or something I did wrong. Access seems to handle multiple instances of tables in Queries (at least all of them seem to be working thus far), but really screws up the Relationship table. I have about 15 tables, and about five of them are linked multiple times. In addition, there may be more than one link between the same two tables. For example, tblMessages is linked twice to tblEmployees, once for TakenBy, and once for AssignedTo. Access has made a complete mess of my Relationship diagram. It's almost to the point of unreadable. If Access would just leave my tables and links alone, it would be very easy to follow the logic. Best, Christopher |
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Remember that the automatic join procedure when creating
queries in design view uses the same list of FK indexes that the relationship view uses: if the relationship window gets confused about how to draw relationships, the query design helper will suffer from the same confusion. Yep, I finally got one last night when designing a new query. The result is that the SQL may include joins that are not immediately apparent from the query design view window. Unexplained non-updatable queries are a common result. What would you recommend is such situations? Best, Christopher |
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I thought perhaps I had corrupted my database, so I started from scratch by
creating a new database and importing only the tables (no relationships). I opened the Relations window, created the links, closed the Relations window, then opened the Relations window. Tables with multiple links like tblStatus_1 and tblStatus_2 were orphaned, and the links were redrawn to tblStatus. My beautiful diagram was converted to speghetti. As best I can tell, this is a "feature" of Access. How do Access developers view the relations of a complex database? Best, Christopher |
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