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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
(1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is
identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
Try a 1600% zoom and see if you can see this on {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic,
24-Point} "fff". It works fine if its not italic, as soon as you change to italic the first "f" is exactly one pixel closer to the second "f" than the third "f". *** NOTE *** You can't use MS Word Zoom, this does not actually enlarge the pixels, it only changes the point size displayed on the screen. I use another program to copy the bitmap image of the screen. Then I use a third program to view this bitmap image. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point}
I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the first "fff", only the second one and the third one. It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
"Peter Olcott" wrote in
news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Lynn Killingbeck |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
"LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row?
-- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message newsP2nf.24956$QW2.1760@dukeread08... "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
If I type three sets of "fff," I see more space between the first two f's in
the first group than in the other two and more space between the last two f's in the last group than in the other two, which seems to confirm that this is probably a rounding error. You still haven't told us why this is so vital to you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:xT1nf.24603$QW2.14626@dukeread08... I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point} I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the first "fff", only the second one and the third one. It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
"JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row? First of all it is three sets of three f's---"fff fff fff" The problem only arises on the send and third set. {Times New Roman---Bold---Italic---24 Point} Two different computers, one at BestBuy and one here. MS Word 97 and MS Word 2000, same problem. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message newsP2nf.24956$QW2.1760@dukeread08... "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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