PowerPoint2007

I didn't want to be that realistic....

"Echo S" wrote in message
:

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...

I wouldn't be surprised if this won't be addressed until the first service
pack, which is several months (at best) away.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's not addressed until the next version of
Office....

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For me, this IS a critical issues. How am I to work with such an awful
performance? Can't even use the by-word or by-letter for my presentation.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
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Oh ok. This mean that it's a bug right? Hmmm, hope Microsoft gets
someone to
fix it up asap.
This is not how Microsoft works. Immediate patches are only done for
critical issues, that means mainly security related ones.
I wouldn't be surprised if this won't be addressed until the first service
pack, which is several months (at best) away.

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Found another problem. In PowerPoint 2003, I used to use the shadow tool for
my text (not the text shadow). The text shadow looked awful and that is the
reason I used the shadow tool.

I opened the presentation in PowerPoint 2007 and run it. During animation,
the shadow will appear at where the text should stop at after animation
while the text goes on with the animation. In another word, the shadow is
not moving. Well, to solve this, I'll have to remove the Shape shadow and
reapply the text shadow. But, just like PowerPoint 2003, it doesn't look
good.

"Bobby Z" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any information on PPT2007? Pros & Cons. What are some
of the neat new features? What was left out that should have been
included?

Repro steps? I know you applied the shadow tool shadow to some text in 2003.
Did you adjust the distance between the shadow and the object (which would
be the text, in this case). Also give us an example animation setting so we
can see what you mean.

PPT 2007's text shadows should look good. I wonder if you apply the shadows
to the text in 2007 if that makes a difference....

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What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/

"Programatix" wrote in message
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Found another problem. In PowerPoint 2003, I used to use the shadow tool
for my text (not the text shadow). The text shadow looked awful and that
is the reason I used the shadow tool.

I opened the presentation in PowerPoint 2007 and run it. During animation,
the shadow will appear at where the text should stop at after animation
while the text goes on with the animation. In another word, the shadow is
not moving. Well, to solve this, I'll have to remove the Shape shadow and
reapply the text shadow. But, just like PowerPoint 2003, it doesn't look
good.

"Bobby Z" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any information on PPT2007? Pros & Cons. What are some
of the neat new features? What was left out that should have been
included?

"Programatix" wrote in message
...

and a patch is released for it (on request, something about only use this
patch if only you faced the stated problem).

That's called a hotfix.

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What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/

"Programatix" wrote in message
...
For me, this IS a critical issues. How am I to work with such an awful
performance? Can't even use the by-word or by-letter for my presentation.

You may just have to forego the by-word and by-letter animations and effect
settings. (I'm sorry, but I personally don't think that's such a bad thing
because, although those can be effective at times, they're often very
annoying and overused. But I do understand where you're coming from -- I
have my own critical issues I would like to see fixed or improved.)

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What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/

Neal and I have exchanged some files and info and arrived at a few tentative
conclusions:

- If I edit the equations in his files, the same thing happens; they shrink,
become distorted and useless, but this happens in both PPT 2007 RTM and in 2003.

- If I create a new presentation with an equation in it in either 2003 or 2007,
the same problem doesn't appear (here or on Neal's computer)

First tentative conclusion: The problem's with the files, not the Equation Editor
in 2007 RTM.

- Neal's files made a detour through Mac-land, having been opened and, IIRC,
edited on Mac PPT 2004. I don't have 2004 here, but I did create a new PPT with
an equation, opened and saved it from Mac PPT X. That one opened and allowed
editing w/o problems back on the PC. In PPT X, I get a Server Not Found error
when I try to EDIT the equations; I don't seem to have Equation Editor
installed/available, so no great surprise there. Whether or not it IS available
on Mac, I don't know.

But it seems that it may be, and that using it to edit PC-created equations is bad
for your sanity. And for your equations. Dr. Marco ... do you have Equation
Editor on your Mac? Want to have a go?

But the real killer here is that Equation Editor's now severely crippled in PPT
2007. Where in previous versions you could use Recolor Picture to change the text
in equations to some other color, the Recolor feature's gone from 2007 (well, it's
morphed into something totally different). You may now equations in Henry Ford
(any color as long as it's) Black. Or nothing.

The only workaround I could offer is limp and kinda pathetic: create the
equation, drag it off the slide, copy it, Edit, PasteSpecial, as EMF, ungroup it,
make color changes as needed. Delete EMF, go back to the original equation and
repeat every time the equation needs editing.

Or, I suppose, ban dark background slides. Feh.

Does anyone have a better idea for equations on dark b/g slides?

Does anyone have the full MathType product? Can it set colors for equation text,
or is it also strictly black on white?



In article , Steve Rindsberg wrote:
In article , Neal Stoughton wrote:
I am using the RTM version and I am having horrible problems with equations
created originally using one of the Powerpoint versions in the 1990s. They
look cut off so that not all of the equation shows. When I double click to
edit I can see the equation is right. But then closing the equation editor
the equation box closes down to microscopic size and there is only a
fragment of the equation visible. I have tried to copy the equation and
paste, but that doesnt work either. Its a serious problem because I cannot
show any of my older presentations.

I found a workaround for this in an earlier beta version; it involves copying
the equation to the clipboard then pasting back in, I think it was, EMF format.
I don't remember the specific, but in the spirit of "Those who don't remember
the past are condemned to repeat it" I'd be happy to have another go at it if
you'd like to email me an example file. One or two slides is plenty; pop the
text from this message into the body of the email, attach the PPT and email to
steve at-sign pptools dot com


It seems to work with equations created in Powerpoint 2003, however.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
The new equation editor is dedicated to Word 2007. PPT doesn't have it,
because it's integrated into Word and not a separate program like the
previous equation editor. Maybe the next version of PPT will get it? Of
course, you can make your equation in Word and paste it into PPT.
Which beta version are you using? The release version of PowerPoint 2007
does NOT have that problem with old equations anymore.

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"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message
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The biggest problem is that for some reason it does not use the new
equation
editor. Word 2007 includes it so it is strange that Powerpoint 2007 does
not. Even worse, equations created in older version of Powerpoint do not
work correctly. They have to be manually recreated.

"Bobby Z" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any information on PPT2007? Pros & Cons. What are
some
of the neat new features? What was left out that should have been
included?




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PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
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Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================

It seems to me that this is a convertion problem with PowerPoint 2007 from
PowerPoint 2003 as I tried to apply Shape Effect-Shadow on a text and
everything works out normally.

Anyone with PowerPoint 2003, please confirm the problem with the following
steps:
1) Open PowerPoint 2003
2) Type a single line text
3) Apply shadow from the Shadow Tool (not the text shadow on the toolbar)
4) Play around with the shadow (if possible make it broader)
5) Add animation to it. Try picking Spiral In.
6) Save
7) Open PowerPoint 2007
8) Load the presentation saved above
9) Try running the presentation.

What I get with the steps above is the shadow of the text is on the screen
(without text). When the text flies in, it will stop on the shadow. To
remove the shadow, just apply the Shape Effect-Shadow on the text. Readd
the shadow and everything goes on fine.

By the way, I do not have PowerPoint 2003 anymore but all my previous
PowerPoint 2003 presentations are using shadows as describe in step (3) and
when I open all of my presentations in PowerPoint 2007, I need to reapply
all the shadow for the texts.

Thanks.


"Echo S" wrote in message
...
Repro steps? I know you applied the shadow tool shadow to some text in
2003. Did you adjust the distance between the shadow and the object (which
would be the text, in this case). Also give us an example animation
setting so we can see what you mean.

PPT 2007's text shadows should look good. I wonder if you apply the
shadows to the text in 2007 if that makes a difference....

--
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What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/

"Programatix" wrote in message
...
Found another problem. In PowerPoint 2003, I used to use the shadow tool
for my text (not the text shadow). The text shadow looked awful and that
is the reason I used the shadow tool.

I opened the presentation in PowerPoint 2007 and run it. During
animation, the shadow will appear at where the text should stop at after
animation while the text goes on with the animation. In another word, the
shadow is not moving. Well, to solve this, I'll have to remove the Shape
shadow and reapply the text shadow. But, just like PowerPoint 2003, it
doesn't look good.

"Bobby Z" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any information on PPT2007? Pros & Cons. What are
some of the neat new features? What was left out that should have been
included?

Hello,

|
| I think it's probably got to do with the new text engine in PPT 2007.

You are correct. The OfficeArt text caching mechanism is "inefficient" when
by-letter or by-word animation effects are used.

Using a sprite-less animation effect (such as Appear) or simply not using
by letter or by word animation settings are the recommended workarounds.

Thanks,

John Langhans [MSFT]
Supportability Program Manager - PowerPoint, Drawing & Graphics

I asked Steve to send me a file to work with. He sent a file with an
equation editor equation created in PPT 2003 -- I opened this in 2007 and
applied the "Apex" theme so I could see what was happening with the equation
text color.

Here's the workaround I figured out.

Selected the equation, Drawing Tools Format | Shape Styles dialog launcher
to get to Format Object dialog.

On Picture toolbar, change Image color to Black and White, change brightness
to 100%.

Now I got white text.

It's not as good as the old recolor, and I can only get white, but it's
better'n nuthin'.

Selecting "washout" will give you grey text. Change the contrast to get
different shades of grey.

Also, if I copy and paste special as PNG, I can go to Picture Tools Format |
Recolor and use the "light variations" to change the text to various theme
colors. Unfortunately, choosing "more variations" doesn't seem to do
anything, so you're really locked into using your theme colors here. (The
various Dark Variations don't seem to do anything, either.)

Same if I copy/paste as WMF or EMF. Bummer. I was hoping one of those would
let me specify what color the equation editor text would show up as. Ah,
well. At least we have a few options.

--
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What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote in message
...
Neal and I have exchanged some files and info and arrived at a few
tentative
conclusions:

- If I edit the equations in his files, the same thing happens; they
shrink,
become distorted and useless, but this happens in both PPT 2007 RTM and in
2003.

- If I create a new presentation with an equation in it in either 2003 or
2007,
the same problem doesn't appear (here or on Neal's computer)

First tentative conclusion: The problem's with the files, not the
Equation Editor
in 2007 RTM.

- Neal's files made a detour through Mac-land, having been opened and,
IIRC,
edited on Mac PPT 2004. I don't have 2004 here, but I did create a new
PPT with
an equation, opened and saved it from Mac PPT X. That one opened and
allowed
editing w/o problems back on the PC. In PPT X, I get a Server Not Found
error
when I try to EDIT the equations; I don't seem to have Equation Editor
installed/available, so no great surprise there. Whether or not it IS
available
on Mac, I don't know.

But it seems that it may be, and that using it to edit PC-created
equations is bad
for your sanity. And for your equations. Dr. Marco ... do you have
Equation
Editor on your Mac? Want to have a go?

But the real killer here is that Equation Editor's now severely crippled
in PPT
2007. Where in previous versions you could use Recolor Picture to change
the text
in equations to some other color, the Recolor feature's gone from 2007
(well, it's
morphed into something totally different). You may now equations in Henry
Ford
(any color as long as it's) Black. Or nothing.

The only workaround I could offer is limp and kinda pathetic: create the
equation, drag it off the slide, copy it, Edit, PasteSpecial, as EMF,
ungroup it,
make color changes as needed. Delete EMF, go back to the original
equation and
repeat every time the equation needs editing.

Or, I suppose, ban dark background slides. Feh.

Does anyone have a better idea for equations on dark b/g slides?

Does anyone have the full MathType product? Can it set colors for
equation text,
or is it also strictly black on white?



In article , Steve Rindsberg wrote:
In article , Neal Stoughton wrote:
I am using the RTM version and I am having horrible problems with
equations
created originally using one of the Powerpoint versions in the 1990s.
They
look cut off so that not all of the equation shows. When I double
click to
edit I can see the equation is right. But then closing the equation
editor
the equation box closes down to microscopic size and there is only a
fragment of the equation visible. I have tried to copy the equation
and
paste, but that doesnt work either. Its a serious problem because I
cannot
show any of my older presentations.

I found a workaround for this in an earlier beta version; it involves
copying
the equation to the clipboard then pasting back in, I think it was, EMF
format.
I don't remember the specific, but in the spirit of "Those who don't
remember
the past are condemned to repeat it" I'd be happy to have another go at
it if
you'd like to email me an example file. One or two slides is plenty; pop
the
text from this message into the body of the email, attach the PPT and
email to
steve at-sign pptools dot com


It seems to work with equations created in Powerpoint 2003, however.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message
...
The new equation editor is dedicated to Word 2007. PPT doesn't have
it,
because it's integrated into Word and not a separate program like the
previous equation editor. Maybe the next version of PPT will get it?
Of
course, you can make your equation in Word and paste it into PPT.
Which beta version are you using? The release version of PowerPoint
2007
does NOT have that problem with old equations anymore.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
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"Neal Stoughton" wrote in message
:

The biggest problem is that for some reason it does not use the new
equation
editor. Word 2007 includes it so it is strange that Powerpoint 2007
does
not. Even worse, equations created in older version of Powerpoint
do not
work correctly. They have to be manually recreated.

"Bobby Z" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any information on PPT2007? Pros & Cons. What
are
some
of the neat new features? What was left out that should have been
included?




-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================


-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================