VBA - GET / SET ??

Point well taken, David.

I can understand the consternation over the MVP in the name, but I read it
differently. When I see people wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersy with a number
9 on it, I don't assume it is someone claiming to be Tony Romo, I see it as
someone who admires him.

"David W. Fenton" wrote in message
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"BruceM" wrote in
:

Seems to me this started with your taking offense where nobody
else perceived a slight.

I've stayed out of this discussion thus far, but I'd like to add a
somewhat different perspective.

I've in the past criticized Chris for not using his real name. I
understand his situation, but think that it's the kind of situation
I'd want to get myself out of, and thus don't think it reflects well
upon him. I also suspected him of being an imposter, but he's
demonstrated to other MVPs that he's not.

All that said, I perceived the wannabee's posts exactly the same way
Chris did -- as posted with an intent to deceive. We've had too many
encounters with people like Don Mellon and Aaron Kempf to be
comfortable with those who stick MVP in their username for no good
reason.

Chris is a good contributor to these forums. He has something of a
temper, but who am I to criticize *that*? Good lord, I'm worse than
Chris in that respect! And we *all* get bent of shape every now and
again over things that, with a bit of perspective, look like not so
big a deal after all.

I think everyone should chill out here for a while. Chris has
recognized that the poster he orginally criticized is actually
sincere and not aiming to deceive, so I just don't see what benefit
there is in drawing out the rest of this discussion.

But perhaps others *do* see benefit, so I will probably killfile the
thread so I won't be bothered by it in the future.

Perhaps others might do the same.

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Have you not seen that I use nntp for the groups?
You don't the the icons there.

I have already stated I now believe you to be an MVP and have apologized for
not knowing that.

As to admitting anything, I have not. It is only that I don't have the time
to read back over a couple years of posts in multiple groups.

I have not made any accusations. I have only stated observed fact.
Over last few posts I have been trying to settle our difference. You
totally ignore anything I have said postive about you and want to focus on
one statement.

So, to wrap it up:
1. You are an MVP
2. You provide a lot of good knowledgable assistance to people on this
sites.
3. You flamed an OP for no good reason based on your misunderstanding of the
purpose of his name and you owe him an apology for that.
4. I stand by my statement that you ocassionally flame people. Some times
it is justified and some times it is not.



"Chris O'C via AccessMonster.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
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You've now admitted you haven't got any evidence for your accusation I
"launched a rather ugly attack on another MVP for no apparent reason" nor
any
evidence where I was out of line outside of this thread. As I said
before,
you've mistaken me for somebody else.

I'm fine with that.

Chris


Klatuu wrote:

I really don't intend to take the time to look up any previous posts.

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"Chris O'C via AccessMonster.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:8c74bece57055@uwe...
Please don't start a new thread. Keep the info all together here in
this
thread for archive purposes. Please post links to my posts where you
think I
was out of line, other than in this thread. I think you've mistaken
me for
somebody else and gave me credit for their posts.



Chris, I believe what I was thinking of may have been in this thread:
http://tinyurl.com/5rxtdj

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Clif
Still learning Access 2003

"Chris O'C via AccessMonster.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
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snip
If you don't take the time to present evidence for your accusations,
for all
we know you're mistaking me for somebody else. Without evidence, your
accusations are false claims, intended to defame me and give me a
negative
image. Look up the definition of libel, then look at Clif McIrvin's
responses to your posts in this thread to see if he believes the
negative
image you presented of me.


Chris, read my post again. I was expressing an opinion I had formed
independently, and was simply expressing agreement with his statement:

Thanks, snip, for the additional explanation. I've noticed a bit of
that myself.


As vbasean mentioned, "hijack" comes to mind --- we've likely carried
this on way too far.

Chris, there is no doubt at all in my mind that you are quite
knowledgeable, and you certainly contribute many good and helpful
answers in this and other forums.

my opinion While I applaud your admonitions to keep discussions
professional and leave 'personal attacks' out, it seems to me that you
often confuse "observed occurrence", "conclusion drawn", "opinion
stated" as a personal attack. /my opinion

I intend to say no more on this matter in this thread.

With your leave (which I believe you have invited) I may well respond to
such posts that I may see in the future.

--
Clif
Still learning Access 2003

Sorry, due to security on these pcs I can only access the groups via the web.
The private groups aren't on the web.

You think I posted an attack on Tony (or maybe some other MVP) but you don't
have any evidence of it in the public groups, just a reference to a thread in
the private groups which we've pretty much established I didn't participate
in. (I'll admit I didn't participate in it, and you've already said you
couldn't find any of my posts in the private groups.) Without my
participation in the private groups and without any evidence I've attacked an
MVP in the public groups, *how* could I post an attack a fellow MVP?

I think you've convinced yourself I'm guilty of somebody else's crimes, in
spite of the lack of evidence.

Chris


Klatuu wrote:
yes, incoherent. It was actually two comments that got wrapped together.
What I was trying to say was:
1. I would prefer to have private discussions in the private group, but
since you are seldom if ever there, I don't know if that will work.

2. As I said previously, I am not sure it was even Tony, but you did post an
attack on another MVP in the public groups. I posted the reference in a
previous post.

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Wannabee, you've responded admirably and courteously to my posts about why I
thought your post was offensive. I thank you for that and I apologize both
for hijacking your thread and for accusing you of intentionally offending
MVPs. That wasn't your intent.

Chris
Microsoft MVP


MVP - WannaB wrote:
I must comment on one statement here "they're not looking at self proclaimed
MVP wannabees" There is a big difference between a self proclaimed MVP and a
self proclaimed MVP wannab. I would never, never proclaim myself an MVP.
But to proclaim myself a wannab of anything simply say's that I acknowledge
that I am not good enough to hold that title. Any time I have used the term
wannab in referring to anyone else it was not to say that they could be, but
just the opposite.

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I never expected you to see the icons with nntp. I expect you to see the
icons by clicking on the links I gave you, and following my instructions if
the icons were hidden in the center column in your browser. Now we know the
reason you said you didn't see the blue MVP icon next to my name is because
you didn't look at the links I gave to prove I'm an MVP until 2 days later.

You say you haven't made any accusations. You've made these unsubstantiated
accusations about me:

1 - You accused me of launching "a rather ugly attack on another MVP for no
apparent reason"
2 - You accused me of previous posts where I "occasionally go a bit off tilt
now and then"

But you have no evidence, as you've admitted. You think it's observed fact.
If it is, please show the rest of us so *we* can observe it too. Provide
links, something - anything - besides "I remember your ugly attacks and where
you acted kooky, I'm sure of it. I could look for the evidence but why waste
my time? You're guilty!" Dave, you're remembering somebody else and you're
blaming me for it.

I haven't addressed anything you've said that's positive because those aren't
issues. I've been focusing on the issues of your defamatory remarks about me
and your making unfounded accusations when you're mistaking me for somebody
else. Those issues aren't going to be resolved because if it takes you 2
days to follow the links I gave you, doing your own search to find links
isn't going to happen.

I do owe wannabee an apology, so thanks for the reminder.

Chris


Klatuu wrote:
Have you not seen that I use nntp for the groups?
You don't the the icons there.

I have already stated I now believe you to be an MVP and have apologized for
not knowing that.

As to admitting anything, I have not. It is only that I don't have the time
to read back over a couple years of posts in multiple groups.

I have not made any accusations. I have only stated observed fact.
Over last few posts I have been trying to settle our difference. You
totally ignore anything I have said postive about you and want to focus on
one statement.

So, to wrap it up:
1. You are an MVP
2. You provide a lot of good knowledgable assistance to people on this
sites.
3. You flamed an OP for no good reason based on your misunderstanding of the
purpose of his name and you owe him an apology for that.
4. I stand by my statement that you ocassionally flame people. Some times
it is justified and some times it is not.

You've now admitted you haven't got any evidence for your accusation I
"launched a rather ugly attack on another MVP for no apparent reason" nor
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]

I really don't intend to take the time to look up any previous posts.

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Which of my 5 posts in that thread do you think I was out of line? Before
you reread those posts, you need some background here I couldn't say in that
thread because the troll was reading it at the time. If you know the troll,
you know he meant it when he threatened to shoot Tom. When he threatened to
burn down Tom's house, he meant it too. Tom isn't a small guy, but the troll
is big enough he doesn't consider Tom a threat.

Getting into his face and cursing him gave Tom a good chance of winning a
ticket to his very own casket, because if the troll gets mad enough he'll
kill Tom. The troll has a long, long history. If you knew that history,
you'd know I'm not kidding.

Getting Tom's attention away from the troll and focusing on me instead may
have saved Tom's life. Goading Tom to continue thrashing the troll wasn't
wise, even though it was a popular pastime in that thread.

Chris


Clif McIrvin wrote:

Chris, I believe what I was thinking of may have been in this thread:
http://tinyurl.com/5rxtdj

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I use the legal definition of harassment to determine when a post contains a
personal attack or not, which is the only definition that counts when you
think about it.

You're welcome to say something to me if you see me out of line in the future.


Chris
Microsoft MVP


Clif McIrvin wrote:

my opinion While I applaud your admonitions to keep discussions
professional and leave 'personal attacks' out, it seems to me that you
often confuse "observed occurrence", "conclusion drawn", "opinion
stated" as a personal attack. /my opinion

I intend to say no more on this matter in this thread.

With your leave (which I believe you have invited) I may well respond to
such posts that I may see in the future.


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"Chris O'C via AccessMonster.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:8c77144a3a233@uwe...

snip

Getting Tom's attention away from the troll and focusing on me instead
may
have saved Tom's life. Goading Tom to continue thrashing the troll
wasn't
wise, even though it was a popular pastime in that thread.


Chris, thank you for the explanation. I'm quite willing to accept this
at face value -- it makes perfect sense to me.

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Clif