File's layout changes from two page to single page after saving as

**Ariel** · October 7th, 2007, 05:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Just as with Publisher 2000, after publishing this 2007 PUB to PDF, I find
the PUB file changed. It shows up as single page spread and under the View
menu there is no longer an option available for 'view as a two page spread'.
The program help says that the only time you don't see this option is when
you are looking at a web page. But I didn't convert it to a webpage. And
even if I did publish it as a PDF, shouldn't the original version of the file
remain intact? Publisher 2007 still shows them as PUB files, though seems to
be thinking of them as webpages.

A patience indeed. I ran into this problem working with Publisher 2000 and
webpages. When I went through tech support, they told me that there was no
way to convert a webpage back to a PUB file once the file had been converted,
but they assured me that I would be able to convert them back in Office 2007.
Now that I've purchased 2007, I find the problem remains, but now with PDF
files. LOL!

I think what I am going to have to do is make sure I have made a backup file
before I publish anything as PDF. That's a workaround though.

Thank you for your help on this.

"Mary Sauer" wrote:

Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a .PDF?
Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is selected.
--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very obscure step
that I have been failing to take.

I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of paper
double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the newsletter, it
looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however the moment
I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I recently
downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A DOUBLE TO A
SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but the next
time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.

This has happened twice - in both September and October - however this time
I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily that older
format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the hot water I
was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on. Is there
something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF? Or have I
found a bug in the software?

**Ariel** · October 7th, 2007, 05:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Agreed. With your help, I have come to that conclusion, though it still
feels like the bug I found in Pub2000 remains in the 2007 version.

I will be making a backup file from now on.

Ariel

"John Inzer" wrote:

Ariel wrote:
Actually, I did 'save as webpage' in Pub 2000 - that was what caused
the problem. The answer I got from Microsoft for that issue was not
to 'save as webpage' any file you wanted to also keep as PUB. They
assured me that 2007 would not have this problem.

In this case I did choose 'publish as a PDF' - which I was perhaps
unclear on - to produce a PDF. I assumed the original PUB file would
be unchanged by the process but have found that not to be the case;
it has made the file single page and I can't figure how to get it
back to double page.

It wouldn't be a problem except that my newsletter has pages that
carry over from one issue to the next. Last month I had to recreate
the whole thing because I couldn't figure out how to change it back
to a two page spread. I don't want to have to do that every month.

Ariel
=====================================
Maybe it would be a good idea to retain
more than one copy of your project. It can
never hurt to have a backup.

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

**Rob Giordano \(Crash\)** · October 7th, 2007, 06:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

I've tried both 2000 & 2007 and cannot duplicate this problem.
Can you outline exactly what you are doing...step by step?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
| Yes, booklet side fold is selected and the resulting PDF file looks
perfect.
| The problem is with the PUB file after the PDF has been exported. It
seems
| that the process of exporting the PDF file somehow changes the format of
the
| original PUB. I am going to try the workaround of not saving the file as
PUB
| after the PDF is exported, as the earlier respondent suggested, but this
did
| seem like a bug and I was trying to see if it was something I should
report
| as one or if I was simply not doing something correctly.
|
|
| "Mary Sauer" wrote:
|
| Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
| Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a
..PDF?
| Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is
selected.
| --
| Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
| http://office.microsoft.com/
| http://msauer.mvps.org/
| news://msnews.microsoft.com
|
| "Ariel" wrote in message
| ...
| I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very obscure
step
| that I have been failing to take.
|
| I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of
paper
| double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the newsletter,
it
| looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however the
moment
| I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I recently
| downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A DOUBLE
TO A
| SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but the
next
| time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.
|
| This has happened twice - in both September and October - however this
time
| I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily that
older
| format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the hot
water I
| was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on. Is
there
| something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF? Or
have I
| found a bug in the software?
|
|
|
|

**John Inzer** · October 7th, 2007, 07:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Ariel wrote:
Agreed. With your help, I have come to that conclusion, though it
still feels like the bug I found in Pub2000 remains in the 2007
version.

I will be making a backup file from now on.

Ariel
==================================
Call it a bug or a work around or what ever....
I think the issue is somehow caused by
continuing to save after other tasks (creating
a .pdf for example) have been performed.

Just my opinion...and for sure...you can never
have too many backups. Personally I keep
backups of my important files on two different
hard drives and also on CDs. You never know
when something can destroy your work flow.

Cheers,

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

**Ariel** · October 7th, 2007, 07:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Certainly.

First I make a newsletter - a PUB file in Publisher 2007. When I have the
file exactly as I want it, I save it both as a Publisher 2000 file (under a
different name) and a Publisher 2007 file. While the file is still open, I
chose "File", "Publish to PDF or XPS". The set up for the PDF file is
correct, print options show it is printing in booklet form, and when Adobe
opens up the resulting file, it appears exactly as it should. I then close
and save a copy of the PDF file.

In the meanwhile, Publisher is still open and the file is still up on the
screen. My habit has been to save and close the file and go about my
business.

When I go to open the same publisher file again, I find that the document is
coming out as a single page layout and I am unable to get it to appear as a
two page layout. In fact, under "View" there IS no 'show as two page layout'
option. In the print setup, it does appear that the paper is correct and it
is in booklet form, but no conversion I have tried lets me get the document
to return to a two page layout.

What I am going to try is not saving the file after I publish to PDF, and
also creating a backup copy of the document before I start the publish to PDF
process. That's what I used to have to do if I wanted to create a webpage
from the newsletter PUB files in Publisher 2000. I posted that problem onto
this list a while back and the answer I got was that Publisher 2000 couldn't
revert a webpage back to a PUB file, but that 2007 would be able to. Well,
I've tried reverting this file back to a PUB file from a webpage and it's
STILL single paged with no option available under 'View' for two page
viewing.

Either I am inadvertantly doing something wrong or I am not explaining
myself well, because I HAVE been able to repeat this result in both Publisher
2000 and 2007. I can continue with this work around, if it works, but it
really does seem like the PUB file is being irreparably altered when
published to PDF just like it used to be altered in Publisher 2000 when you
created a webpage from your document.

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

I've tried both 2000 & 2007 and cannot duplicate this problem.
Can you outline exactly what you are doing...step by step?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
| Yes, booklet side fold is selected and the resulting PDF file looks
perfect.
| The problem is with the PUB file after the PDF has been exported. It
seems
| that the process of exporting the PDF file somehow changes the format of
the
| original PUB. I am going to try the workaround of not saving the file as
PUB
| after the PDF is exported, as the earlier respondent suggested, but this
did
| seem like a bug and I was trying to see if it was something I should
report
| as one or if I was simply not doing something correctly.
|
|
| "Mary Sauer" wrote:
|
| Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
| Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a
..PDF?
| Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is
selected.
| --
| Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
| http://office.microsoft.com/
| http://msauer.mvps.org/
| news://msnews.microsoft.com
|
| "Ariel" wrote in message
| ...
| I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very obscure
step
| that I have been failing to take.
|
| I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of
paper
| double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the newsletter,
it
| looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however the
moment
| I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I recently
| downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A DOUBLE
TO A
| SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but the
next
| time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.
|
| This has happened twice - in both September and October - however this
time
| I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily that
older
| format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the hot
water I
| was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on. Is
there
| something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF? Or
have I
| found a bug in the software?
|
|
|
|

**Ariel** · October 7th, 2007, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

If it helps, I can also send you the resulting file. I still have the last
one on my computer.

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

I've tried both 2000 & 2007 and cannot duplicate this problem.
Can you outline exactly what you are doing...step by step?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
| Yes, booklet side fold is selected and the resulting PDF file looks
perfect.
| The problem is with the PUB file after the PDF has been exported. It
seems
| that the process of exporting the PDF file somehow changes the format of
the
| original PUB. I am going to try the workaround of not saving the file as
PUB
| after the PDF is exported, as the earlier respondent suggested, but this
did
| seem like a bug and I was trying to see if it was something I should
report
| as one or if I was simply not doing something correctly.
|
|
| "Mary Sauer" wrote:
|
| Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
| Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a
..PDF?
| Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is
selected.
| --
| Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
| http://office.microsoft.com/
| http://msauer.mvps.org/
| news://msnews.microsoft.com
|
| "Ariel" wrote in message
| ...
| I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very obscure
step
| that I have been failing to take.
|
| I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of
paper
| double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the newsletter,
it
| looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however the
moment
| I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I recently
| downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A DOUBLE
TO A
| SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but the
next
| time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.
|
| This has happened twice - in both September and October - however this
time
| I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily that
older
| format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the hot
water I
| was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on. Is
there
| something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF? Or
have I
| found a bug in the software?
|
|
|
|

**Rob Giordano \(Crash\)** · October 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Well I tried to follow your workflow and still cannot duplicate the problem.

Are you somehow saving the publication as a single page .mht file or
something?

Why would you want to go from a .pdf back to a html file anyway?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
| Certainly.
|
| First I make a newsletter - a PUB file in Publisher 2007. When I have the
| file exactly as I want it, I save it both as a Publisher 2000 file (under
a
| different name) and a Publisher 2007 file. While the file is still open,
I
| chose "File", "Publish to PDF or XPS". The set up for the PDF file is
| correct, print options show it is printing in booklet form, and when Adobe
| opens up the resulting file, it appears exactly as it should. I then
close
| and save a copy of the PDF file.
|
| In the meanwhile, Publisher is still open and the file is still up on the
| screen. My habit has been to save and close the file and go about my
| business.
|
| When I go to open the same publisher file again, I find that the document
is
| coming out as a single page layout and I am unable to get it to appear as
a
| two page layout. In fact, under "View" there IS no 'show as two page
layout'
| option. In the print setup, it does appear that the paper is correct and
it
| is in booklet form, but no conversion I have tried lets me get the
document
| to return to a two page layout.
|
| What I am going to try is not saving the file after I publish to PDF, and
| also creating a backup copy of the document before I start the publish to
PDF
| process. That's what I used to have to do if I wanted to create a webpage
| from the newsletter PUB files in Publisher 2000. I posted that problem
onto
| this list a while back and the answer I got was that Publisher 2000
couldn't
| revert a webpage back to a PUB file, but that 2007 would be able to.
Well,
| I've tried reverting this file back to a PUB file from a webpage and it's
| STILL single paged with no option available under 'View' for two page
| viewing.
|
| Either I am inadvertantly doing something wrong or I am not explaining
| myself well, because I HAVE been able to repeat this result in both
Publisher
| 2000 and 2007. I can continue with this work around, if it works, but it
| really does seem like the PUB file is being irreparably altered when
| published to PDF just like it used to be altered in Publisher 2000 when
you
| created a webpage from your document.
|
|
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| I've tried both 2000 & 2007 and cannot duplicate this problem.
| Can you outline exactly what you are doing...step by step?
|
|
|
| --
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Rob Giordano
| Microsoft MVP Expression
|
|
|
|
|
| "Ariel" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yes, booklet side fold is selected and the resulting PDF file looks
| perfect.
| | The problem is with the PUB file after the PDF has been exported. It
| seems
| | that the process of exporting the PDF file somehow changes the format
of
| the
| | original PUB. I am going to try the workaround of not saving the file
as
| PUB
| | after the PDF is exported, as the earlier respondent suggested, but
this
| did
| | seem like a bug and I was trying to see if it was something I should
| report
| | as one or if I was simply not doing something correctly.
| |
| |
| | "Mary Sauer" wrote:
| |
| | Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
| | Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a
| ..PDF?
| | Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is
| selected.
| | --
| | Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
| | http://office.microsoft.com/
| | http://msauer.mvps.org/
| | news://msnews.microsoft.com
| |
| | "Ariel" wrote in message
| | ...
| | I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very
obscure
| step
| | that I have been failing to take.
| |
| | I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of
| paper
| | double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the
newsletter,
| it
| | looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however
the
| moment
| | I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I
recently
| | downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A
DOUBLE
| TO A
| | SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but
the
| next
| | time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.
| |
| | This has happened twice - in both September and October - however
this
| time
| | I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily
that
| older
| | format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the
hot
| water I
| | was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on.
Is
| there
| | something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF?
Or
| have I
| | found a bug in the software?
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

**Ariel** · October 7th, 2007, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

Well, I can. And I wish I couldn't.

I am not doing anything with HTML files and I am not trying to go from PDF
to HTML. It's simply that I noticed Publisher 2000 doing the same thing to
PUB files when you tried to publish a webpage as Publisher 2007 is doing to
PUB files when I publish to PDF. That is what I was saying.

What I am trying to do is create a PDF file AND keep my original PUB file
intact as two different documents. Some of my readers can open PUB files,
but some can't so I offer them PDF files instead. I need to BOTH files to
work, but every time I create a PDF file, the original PUB file is
mysteriously changed.

I will gladly send you the PUB file that results after I 'publish to PDF or
XPS' - you can see for yourself what I mean. I would love for someone to be
able to tell me what about my proceedure, outlined above, is causing it to do
this. You may not be able to duplicate it, but I have - on two different
computers and on two different OSs and two different versions of Office.

At this point it seems the only option I have is to save a backup copy of
the PUB file before I try to publish it to PDF because I know that the
process of publishing that PDF will change the PUB file. It's not a
hardship, as long as I remember to do it, but it does bug me that this fancy
new program has the same glitch I reported in the old version.

Ariel

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

Well I tried to follow your workflow and still cannot duplicate the problem.

Are you somehow saving the publication as a single page .mht file or
something?

Why would you want to go from a .pdf back to a html file anyway?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

"Ariel" wrote in message
...
| Certainly.
|
| First I make a newsletter - a PUB file in Publisher 2007. When I have the
| file exactly as I want it, I save it both as a Publisher 2000 file (under
a
| different name) and a Publisher 2007 file. While the file is still open,
I
| chose "File", "Publish to PDF or XPS". The set up for the PDF file is
| correct, print options show it is printing in booklet form, and when Adobe
| opens up the resulting file, it appears exactly as it should. I then
close
| and save a copy of the PDF file.
|
| In the meanwhile, Publisher is still open and the file is still up on the
| screen. My habit has been to save and close the file and go about my
| business.
|
| When I go to open the same publisher file again, I find that the document
is
| coming out as a single page layout and I am unable to get it to appear as
a
| two page layout. In fact, under "View" there IS no 'show as two page
layout'
| option. In the print setup, it does appear that the paper is correct and
it
| is in booklet form, but no conversion I have tried lets me get the
document
| to return to a two page layout.
|
| What I am going to try is not saving the file after I publish to PDF, and
| also creating a backup copy of the document before I start the publish to
PDF
| process. That's what I used to have to do if I wanted to create a webpage
| from the newsletter PUB files in Publisher 2000. I posted that problem
onto
| this list a while back and the answer I got was that Publisher 2000
couldn't
| revert a webpage back to a PUB file, but that 2007 would be able to.
Well,
| I've tried reverting this file back to a PUB file from a webpage and it's
| STILL single paged with no option available under 'View' for two page
| viewing.
|
| Either I am inadvertantly doing something wrong or I am not explaining
| myself well, because I HAVE been able to repeat this result in both
Publisher
| 2000 and 2007. I can continue with this work around, if it works, but it
| really does seem like the PUB file is being irreparably altered when
| published to PDF just like it used to be altered in Publisher 2000 when
you
| created a webpage from your document.
|
|
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| I've tried both 2000 & 2007 and cannot duplicate this problem.
| Can you outline exactly what you are doing...step by step?
|
|
|
| --
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Rob Giordano
| Microsoft MVP Expression
|
|
|
|
|
| "Ariel" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yes, booklet side fold is selected and the resulting PDF file looks
| perfect.
| | The problem is with the PUB file after the PDF has been exported. It
| seems
| | that the process of exporting the PDF file somehow changes the format
of
| the
| | original PUB. I am going to try the workaround of not saving the file
as
| PUB
| | after the PDF is exported, as the earlier respondent suggested, but
this
| did
| | seem like a bug and I was trying to see if it was something I should
| report
| | as one or if I was simply not doing something correctly.
| |
| |
| | "Mary Sauer" wrote:
| |
| | Ariel, Publisher 2007 can be a patience.
| | Are you going through the advanced print options when you save as a
| ..PDF?
| | Save, PDF, Change, Print Options, Be certain Booklet, side fold is
| selected.
| | --
| | Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
| | http://office.microsoft.com/
| | http://msauer.mvps.org/
| | news://msnews.microsoft.com
| |
| | "Ariel" wrote in message
| | ...
| | I think I may have discovered a bug, or else there is a very
obscure
| step
| | that I have been failing to take.
| |
| | I am creating a 20 page newsletter in Publisher 2007, 5 pieces of
| paper
| | double sided and folded in half. When I am working on the
newsletter,
| it
| | looks fine - double page layout, all my fonts, the works, however
the
| moment
| | I am done and SAVE THE FILE AS A PDF using the patch that I
recently
| | downloaded from Microsoft, the original PUB file CHANGES FROM A
DOUBLE
| TO A
| | SINGLE PAGE LAYOUT! I do nothing to it except save and exit, but
the
| next
| | time I open the file, the layout has gone wonky.
| |
| | This has happened twice - in both September and October - however
this
| time
| | I also saved the file as a Publisher 2000 file as well. Luckily
that
| older
| | format file still retains the two page layout, so I am not in the
hot
| water I
| | was last month, but I would REALLY like to know what is going on.
Is
| there
| | something I should do (or not do) when I save the file as a PDF?
Or
| have I
| | found a bug in the software?
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

**Rob Giordano \(Crash\)** · October 8th, 2007, 02:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

**Ariel** · October 8th, 2007, 03:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.publisher

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