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  #1  
Old October 31st, 2009, 08:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Posts: 1,959
Default line numbers

I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line numbers
to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?
Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.
  #2  
Old November 1st, 2009, 05:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Guy Lydig
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Posts: 91
Default line numbers

Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line numbers
to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?
Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.
.

  #3  
Old November 1st, 2009, 02:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Posts: 1,959
Default line numbers

Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home tab)
can't be included in a paragraph style.

If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find it
in Page Setup.

On Nov 1, 12:50*am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?



"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line numbers
to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?
Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

  #4  
Old November 1st, 2009, 03:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Greg Maxey[_2_]
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Posts: 649
Default line numbers

Mr. Daniels,

I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test. However
this might help you:

Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers to
keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.

1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned or
right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite. For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.


That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left margin:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub

As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of the
document text." A negative value creates and error.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home tab)
can't be included in a paragraph style.

If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find it
in Page Setup.

On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?



"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.




  #5  
Old November 1st, 2009, 05:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Posts: 1,959
Default line numbers

What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by section,
either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in the right
margin, even with right-to-left text.

And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.

On Nov 1, 10:48*am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test. *However
this might help you:

* * * Change paragraph direction
* * * The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers to
keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left languages..)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.

* * * * 1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
* * * * 2.. Do one of the following:
* * * * * a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right *on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then SHIFT+F10.).
* * * * * a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
* * * When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned or
right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite. For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left *results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.

That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left margin:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
* .Active = True
* .CountBy = 5
* 'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between the
right edge _
* 'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
* .DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub

As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of the
document text." *A negative value creates and error.





Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home tab)
can't be included in a paragraph style.


If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find it
in Page Setup.


On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

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  #6  
Old November 1st, 2009, 08:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Greg Maxey[_2_]
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Posts: 649
Default line numbers

Mr. Daniels,

Are you off your medications today? After a few days of nearly perfectly
delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your characteristic arrogance, I
thought that perhaps you had made the turn and would start behaving. Now
this.

You are the one that asked the question he

"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right margin
(i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"

If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm with the
VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by section,
either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in the right
margin, even with right-to-left text.

And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.

On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test.
However
this might help you:

Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers to
keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and the
direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.

1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that you
use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned or
right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite. For
example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such as
the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.

That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between
the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub

As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of the
document text." A negative value creates and error.





Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home tab)
can't be included in a paragraph style.


If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find
it in Page Setup.


On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

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--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.


  #7  
Old November 1st, 2009, 08:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Posts: 1,959
Default line numbers

"Mister" Maxey,

If you have not discovered by now that your fake "politeness" using
"Mr." and "Ms.," where _every other poster to every newsgroup_ uses
people's first names or their pseudonyms, is the surest way to set up
a regime of distrust, let this so inform you.

I asked if there is a way to get line numbers in the right margin,
i.e. the starts of lines, of a section of right-to-left text.

You state that you have no right-to-left capabilities installed on
your system, and you state that you know nothing about right-to-left
text. [[I know from your favored epithet "Gedorkian" used to refer to
any writing other than the plain English alphabet that you are
contemptuous of other cultures, and it may even be that during your
naval service, however ineffectual, during the Gulf War, you may have
assimilated the contemptuous attitude of your then-superiors toward
all things Arab. But that's your problem, not to be transferred to
someone who happens to be concerned with the Arabic language.]]

Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows, viz.,
that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.

And you do it in a way that expects someone to work through your code
to try to figure out what it is doing; even though you provide the
explanation at the bottom that you get an error when you enter a
negative value.

What need was there to "show your work" as opposed to either simply
reporting that there is no way to do it, or better, since you don't
know anything about the problem, to say nothing at all?

I understand that you posted in this thread solely with the purpose of
"baiting" me, and I regret to say, you succeeded; but since after your
standard regime of insults you incorporated a display of your attempt,
however much it failed, to find a solution, I chose not to ignore it
and to allow you the satisfaction, this time, of having successfully
baited me.

NB I have made no changes in my way of responding to queries, whether
as a result of your constant nagging or of anything else.

On Nov 1, 3:04*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

Are you off your medications today? *After a few days of nearly perfectly
delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your characteristic arrogance, I
thought that perhaps you had made the turn and would start behaving. *Now
this.

You are the one that asked the question he

"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right margin
(i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"

If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm with the
VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by section,
either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in the right
margin, even with right-to-left text.


And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.


On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,


I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test.
However
this might help you:


Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers to
keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and the
direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.


1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that you
use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned or
right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite. For
example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such as
the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.


That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:


Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between
the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub


As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of the
document text." A negative value creates and error.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home tab)
can't be included in a paragraph style.


If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find
it in Page Setup.


On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


--
Greg Maxey


See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.


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--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.- Hide quoted text -

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  #8  
Old November 1st, 2009, 10:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Greg Maxey[_2_]
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Posts: 649
Default line numbers

Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter and unlike you, I don't wish to
stoop to addressing you with childish manipulations of other formal titles.

Here again you assume to know what others think. The only thing that I am
contemptuous of is your arrogance and manner.

For someone with such honed and self-proclaimed skills of reading for
content vice context and knowing what other people really mean, you
certainly missed the mark this time. Despite your twisted belief that I have
tried to bait you, I actually tried to help or at the very least answer your
basic question. Very, very stupid of me. Yes.

In response to Guy's reply: Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?

You replied: Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style. If there's a way to set Text
Direction for a section, I didn't find it in Page Setup.

You claim now that the answer to your basic quesiton is something already
known to everyone, at that point there was no indication that your original
question "Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?" had been answered and you
didn't answer Guy's yes or no question with yes or no. Perhaps you did
answer it your own way, but not knowing one way or the other, I saw no harm
in posting what I had learned about the process regardless if you were
already aware of it or not.

As for the code and the example. Note the "ICBW." Knowing that I was
addressing a master of languages, I went out on limb, and thought you would
discern that meant "I could be wrong." When someone "could be wrong" they
avoid definative answers like yes or no. Think of it like this:

Daniels,

I can't say yes or no definatively, but a far as I know line numbering can't
be displayed in the right margin regardless of text direction. Like you, I
can't find anyway to do it with the UI. I tried doing it programatically
using VBA with the following code:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
.DistanceFromText = -600
End With
End Sub

As you can see there is a property ".DistanceFromText" This property
returns or sets the distance (in points) between the right edge of line
numbers and the left edge of the document text. If you use a negative number
(i.e., attempt to force the numbers into the right margin) an error is
generated. There is no gun pointed at your head and I don't "expect" you to
do anything, however, AFAIK the code supports the that the answer to your
question is "No."

I am sorry to learn that I was mistaken concering changes in your posting
style.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
"Mister" Maxey,

If you have not discovered by now that your fake "politeness" using
"Mr." and "Ms.," where _every other poster to every newsgroup_ uses
people's first names or their pseudonyms, is the surest way to set up
a regime of distrust, let this so inform you.

I asked if there is a way to get line numbers in the right margin,
i.e. the starts of lines, of a section of right-to-left text.

You state that you have no right-to-left capabilities installed on
your system, and you state that you know nothing about right-to-left
text. [[I know from your favored epithet "Gedorkian" used to refer to
any writing other than the plain English alphabet that you are
contemptuous of other cultures, and it may even be that during your
naval service, however ineffectual, during the Gulf War, you may have
assimilated the contemptuous attitude of your then-superiors toward
all things Arab. But that's your problem, not to be transferred to
someone who happens to be concerned with the Arabic language.]]

Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows, viz.,
that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.

And you do it in a way that expects someone to work through your code
to try to figure out what it is doing; even though you provide the
explanation at the bottom that you get an error when you enter a
negative value.

What need was there to "show your work" as opposed to either simply
reporting that there is no way to do it, or better, since you don't
know anything about the problem, to say nothing at all?

I understand that you posted in this thread solely with the purpose of
"baiting" me, and I regret to say, you succeeded; but since after your
standard regime of insults you incorporated a display of your attempt,
however much it failed, to find a solution, I chose not to ignore it
and to allow you the satisfaction, this time, of having successfully
baited me.

NB I have made no changes in my way of responding to queries, whether
as a result of your constant nagging or of anything else.

On Nov 1, 3:04 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

Are you off your medications today? After a few days of nearly
perfectly delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your
characteristic arrogance, I thought that perhaps you had made the
turn and would start behaving. Now this.

You are the one that asked the question he

"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"

If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm
with the VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by
section, either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in
the right margin, even with right-to-left text.


And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.


On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,


I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test.
However
this might help you:


Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers
to keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and
the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.


1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that
you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned
or right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite.
For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such
as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.


That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:


Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between
the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub


As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of
the document text." A negative value creates and error.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style.


If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't
find it in Page Setup.


On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings
of the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


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Old November 1st, 2009, 11:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Default line numbers

On Nov 1, 5:32*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter


And you have never noticed that your "preference" is at odds with
every other user of Usenet?
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Old November 1st, 2009, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Peter T. Daniels
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Default line numbers

On Nov 1, 5:32*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

In response to Guy's reply: *Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?

You replied: *Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style. *If there's a way to set Text
Direction for a section, I didn't find it in Page Setup.

You claim now that the answer to your basic quesiton is something already
known to everyone, at that point there was no indication that your original
question "Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?" had been answered and you
didn't answer Guy's yes or no question with yes or no. *Perhaps you did
answer it your own way, but not knowing one way or the other, I saw no harm
in posting what I had learned about the process regardless if you were
already aware of it or not.


Perhaps you should start following your own advice. (Remember the
saying about the beam in your own eye?) You do not have any right-to-
left language enabled on your computer; therefore you have no way of
knowing anything at all about how Word handles right-to-left scripts;
in particular, you are not familiar with the button that appears in
the Paragraph group of the Home tab that controls paragraph direction.

If you were familiar with that tool. then you would have understood my
response to Guy (why, by the way, is he not "Mr. Lydig" to you?),
regarding paragraph-by-paragraph direction-setting.

As for the code and the example. *Note the "ICBW." *Knowing that I was
addressing a master of languages, I went out on limb, and thought you would
discern that meant "I could be wrong." *When someone "could be wrong" they
avoid definative answers like yes or no. *Think of it like this:

Daniels,

I can't say yes or no definatively, but a far as I know line numbering can't
be displayed in the right margin regardless of text direction. *Like you, I
can't find anyway to do it with the UI. *I tried doing it programatically
using VBA with the following code:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
* .Active = True
* .CountBy = 5
* .DistanceFromText = -600
End With
End Sub

As you can see there is a property ".DistanceFromText" *This property
returns or sets the distance (in points) between the right edge of line
numbers and the left edge of the document text. If you use a negative number
(i.e., attempt to force the numbers into the right margin) an error is
generated. *There is no gun pointed at your head and I don't "expect" you to
do anything, however, AFAIK the code supports the that the answer to your
question is "No."


Very cute.

However, since you know nothing about right-to-left scripts, you may
well be unfamiliar with whatever coding might be involved in moving
the line numbering; more likely, if someone can explain how to set a
Section to right-to-left, then the line numbers would automatically
appear on the right.

Here's a datum that might prove to be food for thought. When I printed
out my two pages of Arabic, the line numbers (which on screen appeared
in the left margin, i.e. at the ends of the lines they referred to)
appear _within the text_, overprinted about 1/2" in from the _right_
margin.

I am sorry to learn that I was mistaken concering changes in your posting
style.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
"Mister" Maxey,


If you have not discovered by now that your fake "politeness" using
"Mr." and "Ms.," where _every other poster to every newsgroup_ uses
people's first names or their pseudonyms, is the surest way to set up
a regime of distrust, let this so inform you.


I asked if there is a way to get line numbers in the right margin,
i.e. the starts of lines, of a section of right-to-left text.


You state that you have no right-to-left capabilities installed on
your system, and you state that you know nothing about right-to-left
text. [[I know from your favored epithet "Gedorkian" used to refer to
any writing other than the plain English alphabet that you are
contemptuous of other cultures, and it may even be that during your
naval service, however ineffectual, during the Gulf War, you may have
assimilated the contemptuous attitude of your then-superiors toward
all things Arab. But that's your problem, not to be transferred to
someone who happens to be concerned with the Arabic language.]]


Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows, viz.,
that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.


And you do it in a way that expects someone to work through your code
to try to figure out what it is doing; even though you provide the
explanation at the bottom that you get an error when you enter a
negative value.


What need was there to "show your work" as opposed to either simply
reporting that there is no way to do it, or better, since you don't
know anything about the problem, to say nothing at all?


I understand that you posted in this thread solely with the purpose of
"baiting" me, and I regret to say, you succeeded; but since after your
standard regime of insults you incorporated a display of your attempt,
however much it failed, to find a solution, I chose not to ignore it
and to allow you the satisfaction, this time, of having successfully
baited me.


NB I have made no changes in my way of responding to queries, whether
as a result of your constant nagging or of anything else.


On Nov 1, 3:04 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,


Are you off your medications today? After a few days of nearly
perfectly delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your
characteristic arrogance, I thought that perhaps you had made the
turn and would start behaving. Now this.


You are the one that asked the question he


"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"


If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm
with the VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by
section, either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in
the right margin, even with right-to-left text.


And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.


On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,


I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test.
However
this might help you:


Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers
to keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and
the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.


1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that
you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned
or right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite.
For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such
as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.


That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:


Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between
the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub


As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of
the document text." A negative value creates and error.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style.


If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't
find it in Page Setup.


On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings
of the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.


--
Greg Maxey


See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.


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for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.-

--
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See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.-

 




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