line numbers

Mr. Daniels,

What is your point? I neither know nor care what ever other user of Usenet
prefers to call you.

Should all the other lemmings migrate over the cliff and into the sea would
you follow or be at odds with?


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:32 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter

And you have never noticed that your "preference" is at odds with
every other user of Usenet?

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Mr. Daniels,

Spin this how you like. I freely admit complete ignorance of right to left
scripts plus any and all Word tools assoicated with their use. While I
didn't explain that or confess it up front here in elementary language that
a moron would understand; I am aware; as are you, that I have confessed it
to you previously in our discussion a few weeks ago on transposing
characters. I concede the point again. Absent of all malice, it was still
a mistake and very, very stupid of me to mention anything about it. So,
unless you just like to see yourself rant, there is no need for you to go on
and on about it here. Uncle!

The reason I refer to Guy (vice Mr. Lydig) is because he isn't a character
that I would avoid conversing with on a first name basis. He isn't
offensive in the least and he hasn't hurled unprovoked insults at me or
others in this group or defended those who have.

My only interest in your question was displaying line numbers in the right
vice left margin. I would have the same interest if someone else had asked
and if the post was completely unrelated to right to left scripts.

Unfortunately it was you that asked and you dogged attempts at continuing a
fight has only provoke me to look harder for a solution. As for setting
right to left on a specific section you might try:

Sub ScratchMacro()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionRtl
End Sub

According to the help available it sets the direction of the first section
in the active document to right-to-left. In the document that I am working
with this has no affect on the text itself, but it does move the line
numbers to the right margin.

Cheers.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:32 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

In response to Guy's reply: Is your text direction set to:
right-to-left?

You replied: Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on
the Home tab) can't be included in a paragraph style. If there's a
way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't find it in Page
Setup.

You claim now that the answer to your basic quesiton is something
already known to everyone, at that point there was no indication
that your original question "Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)?" had been answered and you didn't answer Guy's yes or no
question with yes or no. Perhaps you did answer it your own way, but
not knowing one way or the other, I saw no harm in posting what I
had learned about the process regardless if you were already aware
of it or not.

Perhaps you should start following your own advice. (Remember the
saying about the beam in your own eye?) You do not have any right-to-
left language enabled on your computer; therefore you have no way of
knowing anything at all about how Word handles right-to-left scripts;
in particular, you are not familiar with the button that appears in
the Paragraph group of the Home tab that controls paragraph direction.

If you were familiar with that tool. then you would have understood my
response to Guy (why, by the way, is he not "Mr. Lydig" to you?),
regarding paragraph-by-paragraph direction-setting.

As for the code and the example. Note the "ICBW." Knowing that I was
addressing a master of languages, I went out on limb, and thought
you would discern that meant "I could be wrong." When someone "could
be wrong" they avoid definative answers like yes or no. Think of it
like this:

Daniels,

I can't say yes or no definatively, but a far as I know line
numbering can't be displayed in the right margin regardless of text
direction. Like you, I can't find anyway to do it with the UI. I
tried doing it programatically using VBA with the following code:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
.DistanceFromText = -600
End With
End Sub

As you can see there is a property ".DistanceFromText" This property
returns or sets the distance (in points) between the right edge of
line numbers and the left edge of the document text. If you use a
negative number (i.e., attempt to force the numbers into the right
margin) an error is generated. There is no gun pointed at your head
and I don't "expect" you to do anything, however, AFAIK the code
supports the that the answer to your question is "No."

Very cute.

However, since you know nothing about right-to-left scripts, you may
well be unfamiliar with whatever coding might be involved in moving
the line numbering; more likely, if someone can explain how to set a
Section to right-to-left, then the line numbers would automatically
appear on the right.

Here's a datum that might prove to be food for thought. When I printed
out my two pages of Arabic, the line numbers (which on screen appeared
in the left margin, i.e. at the ends of the lines they referred to)
appear _within the text_, overprinted about 1/2" in from the _right_
margin.

I am sorry to learn that I was mistaken concering changes in your
posting style.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
"Mister" Maxey,

If you have not discovered by now that your fake "politeness" using
"Mr." and "Ms.," where _every other poster to every newsgroup_ uses
people's first names or their pseudonyms, is the surest way to set
up a regime of distrust, let this so inform you.

I asked if there is a way to get line numbers in the right margin,
i.e. the starts of lines, of a section of right-to-left text.

You state that you have no right-to-left capabilities installed on
your system, and you state that you know nothing about right-to-left
text. [[I know from your favored epithet "Gedorkian" used to refer
to any writing other than the plain English alphabet that you are
contemptuous of other cultures, and it may even be that during your
naval service, however ineffectual, during the Gulf War, you may
have assimilated the contemptuous attitude of your then-superiors
toward all things Arab. But that's your problem, not to be
transferred to someone who happens to be concerned with the Arabic
language.]]

Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows,
viz., that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a
left-to- right section.

And you do it in a way that expects someone to work through your
code to try to figure out what it is doing; even though you provide
the explanation at the bottom that you get an error when you enter a
negative value.

What need was there to "show your work" as opposed to either simply
reporting that there is no way to do it, or better, since you don't
know anything about the problem, to say nothing at all?

I understand that you posted in this thread solely with the purpose
of "baiting" me, and I regret to say, you succeeded; but since
after your standard regime of insults you incorporated a display of
your attempt, however much it failed, to find a solution, I chose
not to ignore it and to allow you the satisfaction, this time, of
having successfully baited me.

NB I have made no changes in my way of responding to queries,
whether as a result of your constant nagging or of anything else.

On Nov 1, 3:04 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

Are you off your medications today? After a few days of nearly
perfectly delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your
characteristic arrogance, I thought that perhaps you had made the
turn and would start behaving. Now this.

You are the one that asked the question he

"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"

If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm
with the VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned
to a paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by
section, either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in
the right margin, even with right-to-left text.

And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.

On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't
test. However
this might help you:

Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic
are only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left:
Refers to keyboard settings, document views, user interface
objects, and the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.

1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that
you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned
or right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite.
For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such
as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.

That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points)
between the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text.
Read/write Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub

As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of
the document text." A negative value creates and error.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style.

If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't
find it in Page Setup.

On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings
of the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

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See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.-

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Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Yes.

If you have an appropriate language enabled (e.g., Arabic (Iraq)) then you
can use a macro to set specific section direction. For example the
following macro will display line numbers in the right margin in secton 1.

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionRtl
End Sub

Note: If you do not have an appropriate language enabled (I defer to Mr.
Daniels' expertise on what other languages may or may not be appropriate) or
subsequently disable the language then this setting will suppress the
display of line numbering. To restore them you would need to set the
direction back to left to right using:

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionLtr
End Sub

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line numbers
to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?
Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Mr. Daniels,

Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows, viz.,
that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.

Wrong again! Line numbers "can" be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.

What everyone else reading this tortured thread now knows is that while you
were ranting and snapping at the hand trying to assist you, a solution was
found. So for you I guess it is back under the bridge for another supper on
crow sandwich

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
"Mister" Maxey,

If you have not discovered by now that your fake "politeness" using
"Mr." and "Ms.," where _every other poster to every newsgroup_ uses
people's first names or their pseudonyms, is the surest way to set up
a regime of distrust, let this so inform you.

I asked if there is a way to get line numbers in the right margin,
i.e. the starts of lines, of a section of right-to-left text.

You state that you have no right-to-left capabilities installed on
your system, and you state that you know nothing about right-to-left
text. [[I know from your favored epithet "Gedorkian" used to refer to
any writing other than the plain English alphabet that you are
contemptuous of other cultures, and it may even be that during your
naval service, however ineffectual, during the Gulf War, you may have
assimilated the contemptuous attitude of your then-superiors toward
all things Arab. But that's your problem, not to be transferred to
someone who happens to be concerned with the Arabic language.]]

Yet you provide a demonstration of what everyone already knows, viz.,
that line numbers cannot be placed in the right margin of a left-to-
right section.

And you do it in a way that expects someone to work through your code
to try to figure out what it is doing; even though you provide the
explanation at the bottom that you get an error when you enter a
negative value.

What need was there to "show your work" as opposed to either simply
reporting that there is no way to do it, or better, since you don't
know anything about the problem, to say nothing at all?

I understand that you posted in this thread solely with the purpose of
"baiting" me, and I regret to say, you succeeded; but since after your
standard regime of insults you incorporated a display of your attempt,
however much it failed, to find a solution, I chose not to ignore it
and to allow you the satisfaction, this time, of having successfully
baited me.

NB I have made no changes in my way of responding to queries, whether
as a result of your constant nagging or of anything else.

On Nov 1, 3:04 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

Are you off your medications today? After a few days of nearly
perfectly delivered posts and replies, each devoid of your
characteristic arrogance, I thought that perhaps you had made the
turn and would start behaving. Now this.

You are the one that asked the question he

"Is there any way to get the line numbers to appear in the right
margin (i.e., at the beginnings of the lines)?"

If you already knew that the answer was no, as I tried to confirm
with the VBA demonstration, then why did you ask?

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
What did you include there that I didn't already describe? Text
direction is set paragraph by paragraph, and cannot be assigned to a
paragraph style, and apparently cannot be assigned section by
section, either; and line numbers apparently cannot be placed in
the right margin, even with right-to-left text.

And something has gone very wrong at the end of your message.

On Nov 1, 10:48 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I don't have "support for ... languages" enabled so I didn't test.
However
this might help you:

Change paragraph direction
The feature or some of the options described in this Help topic are
only available if support for right-to-left (right-to-left: Refers
to keyboard settings, document views, user interface objects, and
the direction
in which text is displayed. Arabic and Hebrew are right-to-left
languages.)
languages is enabled through Microsoft Office Language Settings.

1.. Place the insertion point in the paragraph that you want to
change, or select several paragraphs.
2.. Do one of the following:
a.. To have text begin from the left, click Left-to-Right on the
Formatting toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that
you use to
carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then
SHIFT+F10.).
a.. To have text begin from the right, click Right-to-Left on the
Formatting toolbar.
When you change the paragraph direction, Microsoft Word leaves
justified and centered text as it is. In the case of left-aligned
or right-aligned text, Word flips the alignment to its opposite.
For example,
if you have a left-to-right paragraph that is right aligned, such
as the
date at the top of a letter, clicking Right-to-Left results in a
right-to-left paragraph that is left aligned.

That being said, and ICBW, based on what appears to be avialabe
programatically, Line Numbers can only be positioned in the left
margin:

Sub ScratchMaco()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.LineNumbering
.Active = True
.CountBy = 5
'DistanceFromText: Returns or sets the distance (in points) between
the
right edge _
'of line numbers and the left edge of the document text. Read/write
Single.
.DistanceFromText = 5
End With
End Sub

As you should see, DistanceFromText is based on "the left edge of
the document text." A negative value creates and error.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Paragraph by paragraph; Text Direction (the button on the Home
tab) can't be included in a paragraph style.

If there's a way to set Text Direction for a section, I didn't
find it in Page Setup.

On Nov 1, 12:50 am, Guy Lydig
wrote:
Is your text direction set to: right-to-left?

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings
of the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

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On Nov 1, 6:33*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. *Daniels,

What is your point? *I neither know nor care what ever other user of Usenet
prefers to call you.

"Neither no nor care" what other people do is the very definition of
sociopath.

It has nothing to do with what people call _me_ specifically. It has
to do with the way people address each other in this medium throughout
the world.

Should all the other lemmings migrate over the cliff and into the sea would
you follow or be at odds with?

If I were a lemming, and if that behavior were actually what lemmings
do (it isn't), then it would be in my nature to do so as well.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:32 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter

And you have never noticed that your "preference" is at odds with
every other user of Usenet?

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Stone the crows (are there any left)! He is back.

Back to show once again that when he really has not point and when he learns
that he is wrong on the central point (that he is a dilettante and an
arrogant one at that) he will find another sore to pick.

"Should" Mr. Daniels. Not "when." Yes it is a myth.

Cheers.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:33 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

What is your point? I neither know nor care what ever other user of
Usenet prefers to call you.

"Neither no nor care" what other people do is the very definition of
sociopath.

It has nothing to do with what people call _me_ specifically. It has
to do with the way people address each other in this medium throughout
the world.

Should all the other lemmings migrate over the cliff and into the
sea would you follow or be at odds with?

If I were a lemming, and if that behavior were actually what lemmings
do (it isn't), then it would be in my nature to do so as well.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:32 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter

And you have never noticed that your "preference" is at odds with
every other user of Usenet?

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

As usual, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

The existence of a "SectionDirection" command within PageSetup
prompted me to look more closely for the option.

In order to make a section read right-to-left, go to Page Setup
Layout second dropdown at the top.

No macro needed.

However, though line numbers are checked, they do not display. (In
fact, they blinked off when I Ok'd the Page Setup Layout change,
though the Line Numbers box was still checked.) So it appears _still_
to be impossible to get line numbers in the right margin with right-to-
left text.

On Nov 1, 7:55*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Yes.

If you have an appropriate language enabled (e.g., Arabic (Iraq)) then you
can use a macro to set specific section direction. *For example the
following macro will display line numbers in the right margin in secton 1..

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionRtl
End Sub

Note: *If you do not have an appropriate language enabled (I defer to Mr.

BTW,

Being unlike you, who is constantly groussing about selective advanced Word
features that you don't understand or that you don't wish to pursue
yourself, I enabled an Arabic language.

After doing so the the Page Setup dialog that appears when you click the
"dialog box launcher" in the bottom right corner of the Page Setup group or
when you click "Line NumbersLine Numbering Options..." plainly shows a
Section direction field with choices Right-to-left and Left-to-right. If it
had been a snake it would have bitten you. Must something blinding about
blind arrogance after all.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:33 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

What is your point? I neither know nor care what ever other user of
Usenet prefers to call you.

"Neither no nor care" what other people do is the very definition of
sociopath.

It has nothing to do with what people call _me_ specifically. It has
to do with the way people address each other in this medium throughout
the world.

Should all the other lemmings migrate over the cliff and into the
sea would you follow or be at odds with?

If I were a lemming, and if that behavior were actually what lemmings
do (it isn't), then it would be in my nature to do so as well.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:32 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Mr. Daniels,

I call you Mr.because I prefer it over Peter

And you have never noticed that your "preference" is at odds with
every other user of Usenet?

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Mr. Daniels,

You were the one that posted here claiming it didn't exist. Where you
blinded by arrogance?

I looked before enabling an Arabic language. Hopefully my self admitted
ignorance of the world's languages wiil excuse the oversight.

Would you like for me to post a picture for the whole world to see or send
you an example?

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
As usual, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

The existence of a "SectionDirection" command within PageSetup
prompted me to look more closely for the option.

In order to make a section read right-to-left, go to Page Setup
Layout second dropdown at the top.

No macro needed.

However, though line numbers are checked, they do not display. (In
fact, they blinked off when I Ok'd the Page Setup Layout change,
though the Line Numbers box was still checked.) So it appears _still_
to be impossible to get line numbers in the right margin with
right-to- left text.

On Nov 1, 7:55 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Yes.

If you have an appropriate language enabled (e.g., Arabic (Iraq))
then you can use a macro to set specific section direction. For
example the following macro will display line numbers in the right
margin in secton 1.

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionRtl
End Sub

Note: If you do not have an appropriate language enabled (I defer to
Mr. Daniels' expertise on what other languages may or may not be
appropriate) or subsequently disable the language then this setting
will suppress the display of line numbering. To restore them you
would need to set the direction back to left to right using:

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionLtr
End Sub

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

Ask no quarter, give none.

For a picture of the impossible see:

http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Daniels'_ Folly.png



For the document pictured see:



http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Mr_Daniels'_Arrogant_Folly.zip




Peter T. Daniels wrote:
As usual, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

The existence of a "SectionDirection" command within PageSetup
prompted me to look more closely for the option.

In order to make a section read right-to-left, go to Page Setup
Layout second dropdown at the top.

No macro needed.

However, though line numbers are checked, they do not display. (In
fact, they blinked off when I Ok'd the Page Setup Layout change,
though the Line Numbers box was still checked.) So it appears _still_
to be impossible to get line numbers in the right margin with
right-to- left text.

On Nov 1, 7:55 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Yes.

If you have an appropriate language enabled (e.g., Arabic (Iraq))
then you can use a macro to set specific section direction. For
example the following macro will display line numbers in the right
margin in secton 1.

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionRtl
End Sub

Note: If you do not have an appropriate language enabled (I defer to
Mr. Daniels' expertise on what other languages may or may not be
appropriate) or subsequently disable the language then this setting
will suppress the display of line numbering. To restore them you
would need to set the direction back to left to right using:

Sub ScratchMaco()
ActiveDocument.Sections(1).PageSetup.SectionDirect ion =
wdSectionDirectionLtr
End Sub

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
I'm typing a page of Arabic. Is there any way to get the line
numbers to appear in the right margin (i.e., at the beginnings of
the lines)? Setting "mirror margins" doesn't do it.

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Greg Maxey

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Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.