You need to change the paste special

Yes it is; But then the UI would be unusable because it would be nothing but
buttons and useless crap that no one needs (a state which Word is approaching
already without incorporating all the whims in the universe)

I think adding a simple "paste without formatting" context menu item is far
from exotic, as evidenced by several other applications which deploy it in
that way.

Peter Daniels (you know, the "nice and helpful" one who didn't take my post
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely) then the users of this forum have done a
remarkable job emulating Microsoft's general stance on their products; "Our
products are perfect. Let us help you understand why your desires are
inadequate."

All I suggested was that microsoft add a simple context menu item. That's
really all I am suggesting. I added some verbal flare because I love how
fanboys on forums like this get all wound up over nothing... seriously; thank
you all for much laughter!


"Graham Mayor" wrote:

It is not possible to cater for the individual whims of every user, so one
of the good things about Word is that it is easily customised to suit
individual user preferences. Even with Word 2007 is is not that difficult to
add a command to the ribbon, so if you want particular paste commands there,
you can have them. Similarly you can add items of your choice to the right
context button, or even simpler, you can add commands to the QAT (Quick
Access Toolbar) as suggested by Peter.

See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_Ribbon.htm and
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_...amatically.htm

However as this is a question referring to the Outlook editor which is not
Word and which uses different vba procedures, you would be better asking
your question about programming the editor in an Outlook forum.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



MyHandsy wrote:
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and
not the essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of
endless hours of forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel),
but usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting
option is not and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent
option deep within the bowels of Word misses the point of what I am
trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with
products like "Thunderbird." Adding a context menu item is not hard,
and the current context menu isn't very large, so there is literally
no reason it could not be added. It would look fine and would appease
many people. Those who don't care could happily ignore it (and
proceed to insert all the clip-art they want, since people who paste
with formatting all the time are just those kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since
it's using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to
criticize (at least not for this part).


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using
the Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially
formatted items look normal, and it is almost never the case that I
even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special"
option? In order to paste something as simply text, I have to get
it into the clipboard and then go back to word (keystroke) select
the past menu (mouse movement and click) select paste special
(mouse movement and click) select "unformatted text" (mouse
movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click). Not
acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a
keystroke is very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and
copy (keystroke), and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One
mouse movement and four (consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of
dollars for the office suite and I have to rely on notepad to
launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make
it difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is
absolutely no excuse for a "paste as plain text" option to be
missing from the context menu in Word. If there is a religious war
going on inside Microsoft preventing this from happening, please
fire a lot of people.

----------------
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the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
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Ahhh, quite the nice dodge!

But, NOT SO FAST! If word changes, then the clone will eventually change
too. Therefore, this is the right place to suggest it.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Actually Outlook (AIUI) does not use Word as its editor but rather a clone
of Word operating fully freestanding, so your suggestion (if you want the
feature primarily for Outlook) really should be posted in an Outlook forum.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and not
the
essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of endless hours of
forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel), but
usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting option is
not
and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent option deep within the
bowels of Word misses the point of what I am trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with products
like
"Thunderbird." Adding a context menu item is not hard, and the current
context menu isn't very large, so there is literally no reason it could
not
be added. It would look fine and would appease many people. Those who
don't
care could happily ignore it (and proceed to insert all the clip-art they
want, since people who paste with formatting all the time are just those
kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since it's
using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to criticize
(at
least not for this part).


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using the
Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As
it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially formatted items
look
normal, and it is almost never the case that I even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special" option?
In
order to paste something as simply text, I have to get it into the
clipboard
and then go back to word (keystroke) select the past menu (mouse
movement and
click) select paste special (mouse movement and click) select
"unformatted
text" (mouse movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and
click).
Not acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for
this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a keystroke
is
very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement
and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and copy
(keystroke),
and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One mouse movement and four
(consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of dollars for the office suite
and I
have to rely on notepad to launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make it
difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is absolutely no
excuse
for a "paste as plain text" option to be missing from the context menu
in
Word. If there is a religious war going on inside Microsoft preventing
this
from happening, please fire a lot of people.

----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
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then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....mspx?mid=cc44....

Thanks Stefan. Not so much for your suggestion, but for being a decent human
being when suggesting it. That is truly a breath of fresh air!

I am sure what you write will work, but I think a more "core" solution is
appropriate for (what I call) "the real problem"; that it is too hard in the
UI to paste without formatting.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

To paste as "Unformatted Text" in Word 2007, click Home tab | Paste | Paste
Special, choose "Unformatted Text" and click OK. Or you can use the
following macro:

Sub PasteUnformatted()
On Error Resume Next
Selection.PasteSpecial DataType:=wdPasteText
End Sub

Attach it to a button and/or assign a keyboard shortcut to it.

For more, see http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word component.
As
it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially formatted items look
normal, and it is almost never the case that I even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special" option? In
order to paste something as simply text, I have to get it into the
clipboard
and then go back to word (keystroke) select the past menu (mouse movement
and
click) select paste special (mouse movement and click) select "unformatted
text" (mouse movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and
click).
Not acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs for
this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a keystroke is
very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement
and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and copy (keystroke),
and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One mouse movement and four
(consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of dollars for the office suite and I
have to rely on notepad to launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make it
difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is absolutely no
excuse
for a "paste as plain text" option to be missing from the context menu in
Word. If there is a religious war going on inside Microsoft preventing
this
from happening, please fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t

to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely)

It is true. In the very rare instances when a MS employee posts here, you
will see "[MSFT]" after the posting name. These NGs are provided by MS for
peer-to-peer support, and everyone who posts here is a volunteer, not a MS
employee.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
Yes it is; But then the UI would be unusable because it would be nothing
but
buttons and useless crap that no one needs (a state which Word is
approaching
already without incorporating all the whims in the universe)

I think adding a simple "paste without formatting" context menu item is
far
from exotic, as evidenced by several other applications which deploy it in
that way.

Peter Daniels (you know, the "nice and helpful" one who didn't take my
post
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely) then the users of this forum have done a
remarkable job emulating Microsoft's general stance on their products;
"Our
products are perfect. Let us help you understand why your desires are
inadequate."

All I suggested was that microsoft add a simple context menu item. That's
really all I am suggesting. I added some verbal flare because I love how
fanboys on forums like this get all wound up over nothing... seriously;
thank
you all for much laughter!


"Graham Mayor" wrote:

It is not possible to cater for the individual whims of every user, so
one
of the good things about Word is that it is easily customised to suit
individual user preferences. Even with Word 2007 is is not that difficult
to
add a command to the ribbon, so if you want particular paste commands
there,
you can have them. Similarly you can add items of your choice to the
right
context button, or even simpler, you can add commands to the QAT (Quick
Access Toolbar) as suggested by Peter.

See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_Ribbon.htm and
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_...amatically.htm

However as this is a question referring to the Outlook editor which is
not
Word and which uses different vba procedures, you would be better asking
your question about programming the editor in an Outlook forum.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



MyHandsy wrote:
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and
not the essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of
endless hours of forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel),
but usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting
option is not and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent
option deep within the bowels of Word misses the point of what I am
trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with
products like "Thunderbird." Adding a context menu item is not hard,
and the current context menu isn't very large, so there is literally
no reason it could not be added. It would look fine and would appease
many people. Those who don't care could happily ignore it (and
proceed to insert all the clip-art they want, since people who paste
with formatting all the time are just those kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since
it's using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to
criticize (at least not for this part).


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using
the Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially
formatted items look normal, and it is almost never the case that I
even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special"
option? In order to paste something as simply text, I have to get
it into the clipboard and then go back to word (keystroke) select
the past menu (mouse movement and click) select paste special
(mouse movement and click) select "unformatted text" (mouse
movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click). Not
acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a
keystroke is very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and
copy (keystroke), and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One
mouse movement and four (consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of
dollars for the office suite and I have to rely on notepad to
launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make
it difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is
absolutely no excuse for a "paste as plain text" option to be
missing from the context menu in Word. If there is a religious war
going on inside Microsoft preventing this from happening, please
fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the
Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the
message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....mspx?mid=cc44....

Does the Paste Options button and "Keep text only" not work for you? This is
what I use for stripping the formats.

Additionally, in Office 2010 (including Outlook) if you click the arrow
below Paste you'll see same options as you do when using the Paste Options
button (they're on the shortcut menus too). That way you can select "Keep
text only" as you are pasting. :-)

~Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word component.
As
it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially formatted items look
normal, and it is almost never the case that I even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special" option? In
order to paste something as simply text, I have to get it into the
clipboard
and then go back to word (keystroke) select the past menu (mouse movement
and
click) select paste special (mouse movement and click) select "unformatted
text" (mouse movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and
click).
Not acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs for
this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a keystroke is
very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement
and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and copy (keystroke),
and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One mouse movement and four
(consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of dollars for the office suite and I
have to rely on notepad to launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make it
difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is absolutely no
excuse
for a "paste as plain text" option to be missing from the context menu in
Word. If there is a religious war going on inside Microsoft preventing
this
from happening, please fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t

Well, since you seem to want to pursue the point, what you've written is a
contradiction. You've admitted that in "very rare instances" MS employees do,
in fact, post here. Yet the next sentence asserts that "everyone" who posts
here is not an MS employee. Which is it? Sometimes, or never? Logic dictates
that it can't be both.

I am merely stating that I don't believe this forum is free from MS official
comment, which you have agreed with. Practically speaking, the general tone
of the responses is what I would expect from a Microsoft representative
because they've been consistent with the "we're right, the user is wrong"
posture Microsoft seems to take in general. Thus, employee or not, it looks
like a duck and sounds like a duck...

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely)

It is true. In the very rare instances when a MS employee posts here, you
will see "[MSFT]" after the posting name. These NGs are provided by MS for
peer-to-peer support, and everyone who posts here is a volunteer, not a MS
employee.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
Yes it is; But then the UI would be unusable because it would be nothing
but
buttons and useless crap that no one needs (a state which Word is
approaching
already without incorporating all the whims in the universe)

I think adding a simple "paste without formatting" context menu item is
far
from exotic, as evidenced by several other applications which deploy it in
that way.

Peter Daniels (you know, the "nice and helpful" one who didn't take my
post
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely) then the users of this forum have done a
remarkable job emulating Microsoft's general stance on their products;
"Our
products are perfect. Let us help you understand why your desires are
inadequate."

All I suggested was that microsoft add a simple context menu item. That's
really all I am suggesting. I added some verbal flare because I love how
fanboys on forums like this get all wound up over nothing... seriously;
thank
you all for much laughter!


"Graham Mayor" wrote:

It is not possible to cater for the individual whims of every user, so
one
of the good things about Word is that it is easily customised to suit
individual user preferences. Even with Word 2007 is is not that difficult
to
add a command to the ribbon, so if you want particular paste commands
there,
you can have them. Similarly you can add items of your choice to the
right
context button, or even simpler, you can add commands to the QAT (Quick
Access Toolbar) as suggested by Peter.

See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_Ribbon.htm and
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_...amatically.htm

However as this is a question referring to the Outlook editor which is
not
Word and which uses different vba procedures, you would be better asking
your question about programming the editor in an Outlook forum.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



MyHandsy wrote:
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and
not the essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of
endless hours of forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel),
but usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting
option is not and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent
option deep within the bowels of Word misses the point of what I am
trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with
products like "Thunderbird." Adding a context menu item is not hard,
and the current context menu isn't very large, so there is literally
no reason it could not be added. It would look fine and would appease
many people. Those who don't care could happily ignore it (and
proceed to insert all the clip-art they want, since people who paste
with formatting all the time are just those kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since
it's using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to
criticize (at least not for this part).


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using
the Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially
formatted items look normal, and it is almost never the case that I
even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special"
option? In order to paste something as simply text, I have to get
it into the clipboard and then go back to word (keystroke) select
the past menu (mouse movement and click) select paste special
(mouse movement and click) select "unformatted text" (mouse
movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click). Not
acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a
keystroke is very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and
copy (keystroke), and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One
mouse movement and four (consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of
dollars for the office suite and I have to rely on notepad to
launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make
it difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is
absolutely no excuse for a "paste as plain text" option to be
missing from the context menu in Word. If there is a religious war
going on inside Microsoft preventing this from happening, please
fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the
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message pane.

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Thanks Beth.

Others have suggested this. I understand there are ways to permanently
disable formatted pasting (which I don't want to do) and macros/QAT things I
can do to expose the options. This is no mystery to me. I simply want
"pasting without formatting" to be in a context (right click) menu next to
"past with formatting." Other applications do this and it is remarkably
useful.

The dozens of other words in my original post which don't convey this simple
suggestion were designed to 1) vent a little, and 2) get the fanboys wound up
because that's usually pretty funny.

I acheived both goals .


"Beth Melton" wrote:

Does the Paste Options button and "Keep text only" not work for you? This is
what I use for stripping the formats.

Additionally, in Office 2010 (including Outlook) if you click the arrow
below Paste you'll see same options as you do when using the Paste Options
button (they're on the shortcut menus too). That way you can select "Keep
text only" as you are pasting. :-)

~Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word component.
As
it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially formatted items look
normal, and it is almost never the case that I even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special" option? In
order to paste something as simply text, I have to get it into the
clipboard
and then go back to word (keystroke) select the past menu (mouse movement
and
click) select paste special (mouse movement and click) select "unformatted
text" (mouse movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and
click).
Not acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs for
this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a keystroke is
very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement
and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and copy (keystroke),
and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One mouse movement and four
(consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of dollars for the office suite and I
have to rely on notepad to launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make it
difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is absolutely no
excuse
for a "paste as plain text" option to be missing from the context menu in
Word. If there is a religious war going on inside Microsoft preventing
this
from happening, please fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t

On Aug 10, 11:43*am, MyHandsy
wrote:
Yes it is; But then the UI would be unusable because it would be nothing but
buttons and useless crap that no one needs (a state which Word is approaching
already without incorporating all the whims in the universe)

I think adding a simple "paste without formatting" context menu item is far
from exotic, as evidenced by several other applications which deploy it in
that way.

Peter Daniels (you know, the "nice and helpful" one who didn't take my post
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely) then the users of this forum have done a
remarkable job emulating Microsoft's general stance on their products; "Our
products are perfect. Let us help you understand why your desires are
inadequate."

You have apparently read approximately zero of the postings here.

All I suggested was that microsoft add a simple context menu item. That's
really all I am suggesting. I added some verbal flare because I love how
fanboys on forums like this get all wound up over nothing... seriously; thank
you all for much laughter!

Are you twelve yet? If you're only eleven, then you're precocious. If
you're an adult, get a life.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:
It is not possible to cater for the individual whims of every user, so one
of the good things about Word is that it is easily customised to suit
individual user preferences. Even with Word 2007 is is not that difficult to
add a command to the ribbon, so if you want particular paste commands there,
you can have them. Similarly you can add items of your choice to the right
context button, or even simpler, you can add commands to the QAT (Quick
Access Toolbar) as suggested by Peter.

Seehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_Ribbon.htmand
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_...amatically.htm

However as this is a question referring to the Outlook editor which is not
Word and which uses different vba procedures, you would be better asking
your question about programming the editor in an Outlook forum.

--

Graham Mayor - *Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


MyHandsy wrote:
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and
not the essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of
endless hours of forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel),
but usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting
option is not and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent
option deep within the bowels of Word misses the point of what I am
trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with
products like "Thunderbird." *Adding a context menu item is not hard,
and the current context menu isn't very large, so there is literally
no reason it could not be added. It would look fine and would appease
many people. Those who don't care could happily ignore it (and
proceed to insert all the clip-art they want, since people who paste
with formatting all the time are just those kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since
it's using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to
criticize (at least not for this part).

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using
the Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially
formatted items look normal, and it is almost never the case that I
even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special"
option? In order to paste something as simply text, I have to get
it into the clipboard and then go back to word (keystroke) select
the past menu (mouse movement and click) select paste special
(mouse movement and click) select "unformatted text" (mouse
movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click). Not
acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a
keystroke is very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and
copy (keystroke), and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One
mouse movement and four (consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of
dollars for the office suite and I have to rely on notepad to
launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make
it difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is
absolutely no excuse for a "paste as plain text" option to be
missing from the context menu in Word. If there is a religious war
going on inside Microsoft preventing this from happening, please
fire a lot of people.

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On Aug 10, 3:06*pm, MyHandsy
wrote:
Well, since you seem to want to pursue the point, what you've written is a
contradiction. You've admitted that in "very rare instances" MS employees do,
in fact, post here. Yet the next sentence asserts that "everyone" who posts
here is not an MS employee. Which is it? Sometimes, or never? Logic dictates
that it can't be both.

I am merely stating that I don't believe this forum is free from MS official
comment, which you have agreed with. Practically speaking, the general tone
of the responses is what I would expect from a Microsoft representative
because they've been consistent with the "we're right, the user is wrong"
posture Microsoft seems to take in general. Thus, employee or not, it looks
like a duck and sounds like a duck...

IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, which is clearly the only one you've ever
looked at, we are right and you are wrong.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely)

It is true. In the very rare instances when a MS employee posts here, you
will see "[MSFT]" after the posting name. These NGs are provided by MS for
peer-to-peer support, and everyone who posts here is a volunteer, not a MS
employee.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"MyHandsy" wrote in message
...
Yes it is; But then the UI would be unusable because it would be nothing
but
buttons and useless crap that no one needs (a state which Word is
approaching
already without incorporating all the whims in the universe)

I think adding a simple "paste without formatting" context menu item is
far
from exotic, as evidenced by several other applications which deploy it in
that way.

Peter Daniels (you know, the "nice and helpful" one who didn't take my
post
to a personal level at all) noted that "No one here is 'within
Microsoft.'"
If this is true (not likely) then the users of this forum have done a
remarkable job emulating Microsoft's general stance on their products;
"Our
products are perfect. Let us help you understand why your desires are
inadequate."

All I suggested was that microsoft add a simple context menu item. That's
really all I am suggesting. I added some verbal flare because I love how
fanboys on forums like this get all wound up over nothing... seriously;
thank
you all for much laughter!

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

It is not possible to cater for the individual whims of every user, so
one
of the good things about Word is that it is easily customised to suit
individual user preferences. Even with Word 2007 is is not that difficult
to
add a command to the ribbon, so if you want particular paste commands
there,
you can have them. Similarly you can add items of your choice to the
right
context button, or even simpler, you can add commands to the QAT (Quick
Access Toolbar) as suggested by Peter.

Seehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_Ribbon.htmand
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Customize_...amatically.htm

However as this is a question referring to the Outlook editor which is
not
Word and which uses different vba procedures, you would be better asking
your question about programming the editor in an Outlook forum.

--

Graham Mayor - *Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


MyHandsy wrote:
Ahhh... I love how people focus on me or my particular situation and
not the essence of my point. This tendency is truly the source of
endless hours of forum entertainment!

My point is this:
I sometimes want to post with formatting (like a table from excel),
but usually not. The formatting option is easy, the non-formatting
option is not and it needs to be. Therefore, setting a permanent
option deep within the bowels of Word misses the point of what I am
trying to suggest.

I want/need the option to be on-the-fly... as in the case with
products like "Thunderbird." *Adding a context menu item is not hard,
and the current context menu isn't very large, so there is literally
no reason it could not be added. It would look fine and would appease
many people. Those who don't care could happily ignore it (and
proceed to insert all the clip-art they want, since people who paste
with formatting all the time are just those kinds of people).

In point of fact; I am referring to Outlook 2007 actually but, since
it's using word for the editor, Outlook is not the right product to
criticize (at least not for this part).

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

No one here is "within Microsoft."

You don't bother to say what version of Word you use, but you can
simply add the "Paste Unformatted" command as a button on your QAT
(Word2007) or on whichever toolbar(s) you choose (Word2003), using
the Customize procedure.

On Aug 7, 11:04 am, MyHandsy
wrote:
I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word
component. As it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially
formatted items look normal, and it is almost never the case that I
even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special"
option? In order to paste something as simply text, I have to get
it into the clipboard and then go back to word (keystroke) select
the past menu (mouse movement and click) select paste special
(mouse movement and click) select "unformatted text" (mouse
movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click). Not
acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs
for this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a
keystroke is very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse
movement and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and
copy (keystroke), and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One
mouse movement and four (consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of
dollars for the office suite and I have to rely on notepad to
launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make
it difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is
absolutely no excuse for a "paste as plain text" option to be
missing from the context menu in Word. If there is a religious war
going on inside Microsoft preventing this from happening, please
fire a lot of people.

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the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
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Point 1: WARNING! Don't feed the trolls! (Although if you're going to do it,
do it well - which you have. ;-P)

Point 2: Suzanne is nearly right; most of the people who post here do not
work for MSFT, and if a Softie does post, you'll see [MSFT] after their name.
In addition, I'm pretty sure almost nobody from MSFT apart from the
SPAM-fighters ever read these posts. However, some of us do have the ability
to provide feedback to MSFT, so maybe your efforts won't be entirely wasted.

Point 3: In spite of the somewhat abrasive and aggressive tone of your post
(which I certainly understand and can almost agree with), the point you make
about how hard it is to do something simple like pasting unformatted text is
a good one. I constantly struggle with the way this process is handled in
Word, and although there are workarounds, I think it would be a great idea if
"Paste Special" were available on the context menu. At the very least, it
would be most helpful if the context menu could be customised to some degree
so that some of the more commonly used actions - like "Paste Special" amongst
others - could be added to it for those users who would like it there.
Unfortunately, I'm not one of those who has the ear of MSFT, so there's
probably not much I can do to help make this happen.
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix
Word MVP

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"MyHandsy" wrote:

I am (somewhat) sure someone within Microsoft is concerned about the
usability of Office. In particular, I am referring to the Word component. As
it turns out, Word is quite bad at making specially formatted items look
normal, and it is almost never the case that I even wanted it to try.

So, why do you people think it's OK to bury the "past special" option? In
order to paste something as simply text, I have to get it into the clipboard
and then go back to word (keystroke) select the past menu (mouse movement and
click) select paste special (mouse movement and click) select "unformatted
text" (mouse movement and click) then click "ok" (mouse movement and click).
Not acceptable. I am surprised you haven't been sued for causing CTDs for
this feature alone. Four mouse movements, four clicks, and a keystroke is
very bad for something that is routinely used.

On the bright side, it is far faster for me to open notepad (mouse movement
and click), paste (keystroke) select all (keystroke) and copy (keystroke),
and go back to Word and paste (keystroke). One mouse movement and four
(consecutive) keystrokes... hundreds of dollars for the office suite and I
have to rely on notepad to launder my clipboard items?

Whatever data you've collected suggesting that it's better to make it
difficult to paste just the text is just wrong. There is absolutely no excuse
for a "paste as plain text" option to be missing from the context menu in
Word. If there is a religious war going on inside Microsoft preventing this
from happening, please fire a lot of people.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t