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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than
"Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
And you don't use periods for e.g. and i.e. ?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than "Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
I do use periods for e.g. and i.e., but they are not capitalized.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... And you don't use periods for e.g. and i.e. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than "Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
So you wouldn't use periods if they occurred in an all caps context?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I do use periods for e.g. and i.e., but they are not capitalized. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... And you don't use periods for e.g. and i.e. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than "Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
i.e. and e.g. are abbreviations for Latin phrases, which, I've forgotten, I
think. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I do use periods for e.g. and i.e., but they are not capitalized. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... And you don't use periods for e.g. and i.e. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than "Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Word's word count feature should be able to count sentences also
I'm hesitant to weigh in again but here goes ..
Technically Mr (an abbreviation) should probably have a full stop / period; it is acceptable, but not normal, in UK usage - I believe it is normal in US usage. USA, MVP, FAQ, etc. are acronyms and do not normally have full stops in either UK or US usage AFAIK. Because they are in upper case they are distinguishable from words. e.g., i.e., etc. in lower case have full stops to distinguish them from words - if nothing else it helps the spellchecker There aren't any hard and fast rules. We have a living language (or two). Word's readability statistics seem to be able to handle all this. Word's sentence count is not so good (but doesn't simply count full stops). -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Actually Tony didn't say it was good. He said UK usage without the period is good and U.S. usage with the period (in the U.S.) is normal. That clarified, I really don't know what point Jezebel was trying to make. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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I am old enough to have been taught English, in the UK, when grammar and
written English form was considered important. A full stop (period in the US) to denote an abbreviation, was always considered correct; thus Mr. would have been used *with* a full stop. General sloppiness has crept into English usage and as our education system now couldn't seem to care less, either appears equally acceptable, -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Tony Jollans wrote: I'm hesitant to weigh in again but here goes .. Technically Mr (an abbreviation) should probably have a full stop / period; it is acceptable, but not normal, in UK usage - I believe it is normal in US usage. USA, MVP, FAQ, etc. are acronyms and do not normally have full stops in either UK or US usage AFAIK. Because they are in upper case they are distinguishable from words. e.g., i.e., etc. in lower case have full stops to distinguish them from words - if nothing else it helps the spellchecker There aren't any hard and fast rules. We have a living language (or two). Word's readability statistics seem to be able to handle all this. Word's sentence count is not so good (but doesn't simply count full stops). "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Actually Tony didn't say it was good. He said UK usage without the period is good and U.S. usage with the period (in the U.S.) is normal. That clarified, I really don't know what point Jezebel was trying to make. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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The use of punctuation around abbreviations is a matter of typography, not
grammar. The 'rules' of typography -- like those of grammar and punctuation -- change continuously. Just have a look at a New Yorker from the days of Ross and Thurber (or even the early Dr Seuss books) to see how much has changed. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I am old enough to have been taught English, in the UK, when grammar and written English form was considered important. A full stop (period in the US) to denote an abbreviation, was always considered correct; thus Mr. would have been used *with* a full stop. General sloppiness has crept into English usage and as our education system now couldn't seem to care less, either appears equally acceptable, -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Tony Jollans wrote: I'm hesitant to weigh in again but here goes .. Technically Mr (an abbreviation) should probably have a full stop / period; it is acceptable, but not normal, in UK usage - I believe it is normal in US usage. USA, MVP, FAQ, etc. are acronyms and do not normally have full stops in either UK or US usage AFAIK. Because they are in upper case they are distinguishable from words. e.g., i.e., etc. in lower case have full stops to distinguish them from words - if nothing else it helps the spellchecker There aren't any hard and fast rules. We have a living language (or two). Word's readability statistics seem to be able to handle all this. Word's sentence count is not so good (but doesn't simply count full stops). "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Actually Tony didn't say it was good. He said UK usage without the period is good and U.S. usage with the period (in the U.S.) is normal. That clarified, I really don't know what point Jezebel was trying to make. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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id est and exempli gratia
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... i.e. and e.g. are abbreviations for Latin phrases, which, I've forgotten, I think. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I do use periods for e.g. and i.e., but they are not capitalized. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... And you don't use periods for e.g. and i.e. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If the abbreviation were MR and pronounced as separate letters rather than "Mister," I might be more inclined to agree with you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... As in Fairhope, Alabama U.S.A. Word M.V.P. F.A.Q. ? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Precisely. The UK has moved ahead of the US in this respect. Another
difference: in the UK, abbreviations pronounced as words (acronyms), such as Aids, have initial caps only. Here we tend to keep them as all caps until they become true words (the original unabbreviated form almost forgotten), such as scuba and radar. It is certainly true that a plethora of periods (full stops) is messy-looking. It is for this reason that I avoid abbreviations entirely when possible (though I'm often thwarted by AP style, which converts all written-out state names to abbreviations). I will not dispute that UK usage looks "cleaner." But until it becomes much more common in the US, it will continue to look "wrong" to me. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... The use of punctuation around abbreviations is a matter of typography, not grammar. The 'rules' of typography -- like those of grammar and punctuation -- change continuously. Just have a look at a New Yorker from the days of Ross and Thurber (or even the early Dr Seuss books) to see how much has changed. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I am old enough to have been taught English, in the UK, when grammar and written English form was considered important. A full stop (period in the US) to denote an abbreviation, was always considered correct; thus Mr. would have been used *with* a full stop. General sloppiness has crept into English usage and as our education system now couldn't seem to care less, either appears equally acceptable, -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Tony Jollans wrote: I'm hesitant to weigh in again but here goes .. Technically Mr (an abbreviation) should probably have a full stop / period; it is acceptable, but not normal, in UK usage - I believe it is normal in US usage. USA, MVP, FAQ, etc. are acronyms and do not normally have full stops in either UK or US usage AFAIK. Because they are in upper case they are distinguishable from words. e.g., i.e., etc. in lower case have full stops to distinguish them from words - if nothing else it helps the spellchecker There aren't any hard and fast rules. We have a living language (or two). Word's readability statistics seem to be able to handle all this. Word's sentence count is not so good (but doesn't simply count full stops). "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Actually Tony didn't say it was good. He said UK usage without the period is good and U.S. usage with the period (in the U.S.) is normal. That clarified, I really don't know what point Jezebel was trying to make. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: "Good" in this case can be defined as "what you're used to." "Mr." is an abbreviation; as such, we USians believe it needs a period. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... It might be normal. That doesn't make it good. "Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message ... I think this is a difference in English vs.American usage. In UK English Mr (without the full stop) is good; in US English Mr. (with the period) is normal. -- Enjoy, Tony "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... While slightly off subject, what is superfluous about the period following "Mr" in my example? Are you saying that it isn't necessary and that simply Mr will do or is it tied to your greater aversion to abbreviations in general and that Mister should be used in the example to avoid confusion? -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: Word's estimate of sentences is necessarily a somewhat fuzzy piece of logic; abbreviations -- or superfluous periods, as in your example -- are always going to be problematic. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... That doesn't work so well Jezebel. Consider: How did Mr. Smith get to Washington? That is not two sentences. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Jezebel wrote: It is VBA, but all it takes in a macro is msgbox("Sentences = " & activedocument.Sentences.Count) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I suspected this might be available through the readability statistics, but (short of VBA) there's no way to access those without checking grammar, which is a huge PITA. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Look at readability statistics. ToolsOptionsSpelling and Grammar and check Show readability statistics. Consider the following: Did Mr. Smith go to Washington? I don't know Mrs. Jones; you will have to ask Mr. Smith. ToolsSpelling and Grammar. Words: 18 Characters: 71 Paragraphs: 1 Sentences: 2 -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Does it? Word Count counts pages, words, characters (with and without spaces), paragraphs, and lines, but not sentences. But if Word tried to count sentences, most users would not be satisfied because it would have to count anything ending in a period as a sentence, which is what it does when you use Ctrl+click to select a sentence, and this includes the periods after abbreviations. "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... This feature already exists within Word, so there is no need for you to suggest it to Microsoft. Connor wrote: When i do my weekly composition for seventh grade it has to be a minimum of fifteen sentences. If the word count feature could count sentences as well, I would not have to do it manually. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=37c24710-01 ad-499c-a8ce-b6568d51597c&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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