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The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church
secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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Mary
I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) If you're not out of time, send me your draft. I'll be happy to look at it for you. -- Hugs, Erika |
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A safari in Ontario? Canada? You don't need a nudge - you need someone with
a BMF hammer to stand beside you and look menacing. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Mary I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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is there a template for a BMF hammer?..
-- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... A safari in Ontario? Canada? You don't need a nudge - you need someone with a BMF hammer to stand beside you and look menacing. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Mary I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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chuckle!
I have this desire to make one! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... is there a template for a BMF hammer?.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... A safari in Ontario? Canada? You don't need a nudge - you need someone with a BMF hammer to stand beside you and look menacing. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Mary I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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Do it now.. I am a very busy person and have only 30 seconds left to
complete the the task.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... chuckle! I have this desire to make one! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... is there a template for a BMF hammer?.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... A safari in Ontario? Canada? You don't need a nudge - you need someone with a BMF hammer to stand beside you and look menacing. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Mary I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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BRAAAAAAAAAAAP! Too late!
Sorry Mike, you should have told me yesterday. ;-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Do it now.. I am a very busy person and have only 30 seconds left to complete the the task.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... chuckle! I have this desire to make one! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... is there a template for a BMF hammer?.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... A safari in Ontario? Canada? You don't need a nudge - you need someone with a BMF hammer to stand beside you and look menacing. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Mary I don't disagree that wizards and templates are useful, but there is an expectation that a wizard and/or template for absolutely any occasion or event should be supplied in as many different layouts such that all who sit on the Church committee will agree on at least one of them.. at some point, the 'editor' is going to have to make some changes, and this requires time spent negotiating the learning curve.. I look at all of the templates supplied with Publisher 2003, and think that one of them must be kinda close with a little tinkering thrown in.. if users of Publisher can't see that, then they are not the person for the job, and should advise the committee accordingly.. More than a few coming here need more than a nudge, especially those who essentially want somebody here to create the whole document and forward it to them, or they will say a whole bunch of spiteful things to the effect that MS are lying on the subject of Publisher being easy to use.. If somebody was to ask you "Is there a template I can use to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ohio', I would be interested to see just how many nudges it would take to get a finished product.. Joking aside, I need to produce a booklet titled 'On Safari in Ontario'.. I am a very busy person and have only one hour and fifteen minutes left to produce something meaningful and with a professional look.. please 'nudge' me (softly).. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... The templates and wizards are an enormous help for the unimaginative. The church secretary that has to put together a bulletin, order of service, prayer lists, newsletters and so on, Publisher is the right application. A lot of organizations I have had anything to do with have Publisher, but the folks who do the actual creation work are not hired for their design skills, the job description only asks for experience in using the product. Folks come to this forum for help and a nudge in the right direction, to denigrate the poster serves no purpose. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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I use Publ for many things and rarely, if ever, use a template or wizard.
Too restricting! Guess I'm too much into doing my own thing. :-) -- Donna in Idaho Website: www.LinusIdaho.org "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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Atta girl, Donna!!!
-- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Donna in Idaho" wrote in message ... I use Publ for many things and rarely, if ever, use a template or wizard. Too restricting! Guess I'm too much into doing my own thing. :-) -- Donna in Idaho Website: www.LinusIdaho.org "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Ron Wizards for labels, envelopes etc are a good thing.. if I want a calendar, I go out and buy one.. but printed envelopes. labels etc are not available from my local stationery store.. I do agree that earlier Publishers were a mass of wizards, and it was difficult to 'freehand' a job.. this is why I used PagePlus up to version 6.. while wizards were available latterly, they could be turned off.. having said that, a wizard was useful for starting a document sometimes.. one could then tinker around with the results.. These days, people expect to start Publisher and find a wizard that will instantly produce a Church social newsletter that includes details a chess tournament against Boris Spassky to be held next Saturday.. 'easy to use' flashes on the packaging get translated into 'requires no effort'.. Publisher will eventually be seen as the decent DTP that it truly is, but only after the generations that remembered Pub 95/97 are long gone.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "drc023" wrote in message ... You've just hit on my main hot button about Publisher. Even back in the olden days when I was one of the MVP's (along with Mike B. and Brian K.) I was fussing at MS over the emphasis they put on leading new users to think the only way to create a document was to use a template or wizard - a.k.a. Paint-by-Numbers DTP. IMNSHO, the only wizard of any value is for making calendars and even the ones in the newer versions are inferior to what was in Pub97. Warning - Rant On: Example of what is so ridiculous about some of the questions posed here - "How can I print only one label on a sheet?" Good grief - How much trouble is it to make a small text frame for the data and position it where desired on an 8.5 x 11 page? Answer - None at all if you don't use a wizard or template. Same goes for envelopes, business cards, any other kinds of fold over cards and anything else needing to be created. Wizards and the obsession over not having templates to do even the most elementary of tasks is one of the main reasons Publisher suffers from an incorrect perception of being an amateur, entry level program. If people would take a few minutes and actually put a little effort into creating something on their own, they would be surprised how easy it is to do. Rant Off: -- Ron "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . That's an excellent question. If Help doesn't help, then I Google. I post after I've expended all of the tricks up my sleeve. Why is creating something from scratch only considered after finding out that the available templates are seen all over the place? I am getting ready to create a national seminar handbook. I have the handbooks for the last six year. One of them was DEFINITELY created with Publisher. She used the Blends theme. There are some positive features to this handbook but the first thing I saw was the distinctive look. For the record, I'm going to use Publisher (of course!) but I am NOT using a template. I'm starting with blank pages. :-) -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... I usually try to find an answer using help. When I do, I reply: "Help returned the following: paste here" Never a response, but you know they got the message. Why is "help" such an ignored 4-letter word? "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... 1. With a template. 2. With a template. 3. With a template. 4. With a template and flowers. 5. With a template and a flashlight. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] |
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