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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Ooops. I was about to add that the first annoyance does not happen all the
time. Just some documents on occasions. 2. Very often there is a mismatch in the table column alignment between the ruler and the table itself. Let's say I want to widen a column, so I grab its left handle on the ruler and slide it to the right. It works, except that very often the whole table is offset to the left on the ruler... very strange... I Googled it up and did not find anything on this... am I the only one who has ever seen this, or is it normal but I am missing something obvious? TIA -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Bon Jour Jean-Guy,
I have not experienced the "border problem" with Word Xp, but there are often times when borders do not behave as expected. Any border that you format belongs to BOTH the cells that share it. If you delete a column (in my experience), the top and bottom borders of the deleted cells disappear but the left/right borders remain attached to the neighbour cells. Now those neighbour cells THEMSELVES become neighbours, and if their borders were different, there is a format conflict on their (new) common border. There seems to be a hierarchy of borders that determines which 'format' wins. When you look at the Ruler for a table, do not forget the cell (text) margins. It is to the text content that the Ruler applies. When you compare the alignment of the table with the text above and below it, the alignment is such that the TEXT margins WITHIN the table match the MARGINS of the text above and below - giving a 'cleaner' appearance to the page. J'espère que cela vous aide! -- Amitiés, Pat Garard Australia ______________________________________ |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Bonjour,
Dans son message, Pat Garard écrivait : In this message, Pat Garard wrote: || Bon Jour Jean-Guy, || || I have not experienced the "border problem" with Word Xp, || but there are often times when borders do not behave as expected. || || Any border that you format belongs to BOTH the cells that share it. || If you delete a column (in my experience), the top and bottom borders || of the deleted cells disappear but the left/right borders remain attached || to the neighbour cells. || || Now those neighbour cells THEMSELVES become neighbours, || and if their borders were different, there is a format conflict on || their (new) common border. There seems to be a hierarchy of borders || that determines which 'format' wins. || Thanks, I understand that. It is just that for the first time I experienced a strange behaviour that when I deleted the last column, the resulting table had ALL of its border reset to the most common border width, even the first 2 columns that had no borders what so ever. Very strange. || When you look at the Ruler for a table, do not forget the cell (text) || margins. Yes, I understand that. But there should not be a one inch offset between the row selected and its borders as displayed on the ruler. || It is to the text content that the Ruler applies. When you compare the || alignment || of the table with the text above and below it, the alignment is such that || the TEXT || margins WITHIN the table match the MARGINS of the text above and below - || giving a 'cleaner' appearance to the page. || I am not sure what you are trying to explain in that last sentence... Thanks again for taking the time to think about my little complaints! -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
G'Day Jean-Guy,
I am not sure what you are trying to explain in that last sentence... This is the text in the document above the table........ _______________________________________ | This is the* | text that* | is in the* | table* | |__________|________|_______ |______|___ This is the text below the table........ The Table border is offset to the left so that the 3 "This is ..." all line up. But of course NOT by 1" .........Hmmmm:-[ -- Regards, Pat Garard Australia ______________________________________ |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Bonjour,
Dans son message, Pat Garard écrivait : In this message, Pat Garard wrote: || G'Day Jean-Guy, || ||| I am not sure what you are trying to explain in that last sentence... || || This is the text in the document above the table........ || _______________________________________ || | This is the* | text that* | is in the* | table* | || |__________|________|_______ |______|___ || This is the text below the table........ || || The Table border is offset to the left so that the 3 "This is ..." all || line up. || || But of course NOT by 1" .........Hmmmm:-[ || -- Ha! Yes I am aware of that, This is cell padding. I have no problem with that. What I am trying to explain is that normally, if you drag a column border from the ruler, you can draw an imaginary vertical line from the place you drag on the ruler (the handle) down to the column border on the page. The column border on the page will line up exactly with the handle on the ruler. What I frequently experience is that the handle on the ruler is offset to the left (usually) between ¼ and ¾ of an inch. So, the imaginary vertical line from the ruler will be to the left of the cell border (or column border) being moved. Even worst, the graphic representation of the handle on the ruler are offset, but in fact they are not! In this case I have to guess were the handle is and click were it should be on the ruler, not were I see it (I see it offset to the left, but only the image is offset, Word still "sees" it where it should be, but somehow displays something different!). This can be most annoying when you want to add a tab in a cell, you click on the ruler to add the tab and either nothing happens because even though it looks that I clicked between the cell handles, I actually clicked exactly on the "invisible/ghost" handle, or if the offset is wider than the cell, I could even add the tab in the cell to the right of the one I was aiming for on the page... Does that make any sense? Very annoying and strange... And I swear I am sober and do that I am not making this up! I guess it only happens to me because I have not seen any post regarding this problem. Cheers. -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
If this is happening just in a specific document, I would suspect corruption
in the document. It is happening in all documents, I'd investigate display issues or problems with the Registry Data key. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote in message ... Bonjour, Dans son message, Pat Garard écrivait : In this message, Pat Garard wrote: || G'Day Jean-Guy, || ||| I am not sure what you are trying to explain in that last sentence... || || This is the text in the document above the table........ || _______________________________________ || | This is the* | text that* | is in the* | table* | || |__________|________|_______ |______|___ || This is the text below the table........ || || The Table border is offset to the left so that the 3 "This is ..." all || line up. || || But of course NOT by 1" .........Hmmmm:-[ || -- Ha! Yes I am aware of that, This is cell padding. I have no problem with that. What I am trying to explain is that normally, if you drag a column border from the ruler, you can draw an imaginary vertical line from the place you drag on the ruler (the handle) down to the column border on the page. The column border on the page will line up exactly with the handle on the ruler. What I frequently experience is that the handle on the ruler is offset to the left (usually) between ¼ and ¾ of an inch. So, the imaginary vertical line from the ruler will be to the left of the cell border (or column border) being moved. Even worst, the graphic representation of the handle on the ruler are offset, but in fact they are not! In this case I have to guess were the handle is and click were it should be on the ruler, not were I see it (I see it offset to the left, but only the image is offset, Word still "sees" it where it should be, but somehow displays something different!). This can be most annoying when you want to add a tab in a cell, you click on the ruler to add the tab and either nothing happens because even though it looks that I clicked between the cell handles, I actually clicked exactly on the "invisible/ghost" handle, or if the offset is wider than the cell, I could even add the tab in the cell to the right of the one I was aiming for on the page... Does that make any sense? Very annoying and strange... And I swear I am sober and do that I am not making this up! I guess it only happens to me because I have not seen any post regarding this problem. Cheers. -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Jean-Guy
Some time ago I asked a similar question here and this is what Suzanne Barnhill responded. I am sure she will not be offended if I quote it he If auto resizing is still enabled (Table | Properties | Table | Options), you'll see some strange behavior. Note that the effect of Shift and Control is reversed between cell boundaries and ruler markers. For more on this, see http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ableBasics.htm. Also, if you want to set specific widths for columns, you're much better off using the old Cell Height and Width Dialog (see http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ePropProbs.htm). Luc "Jean-Guy Marcil" schreef in bericht ... Ooops. I was about to add that the first annoyance does not happen all the time. Just some documents on occasions. 2. Very often there is a mismatch in the table column alignment between the ruler and the table itself. Let's say I want to widen a column, so I grab its left handle on the ruler and slide it to the right. It works, except that very often the whole table is offset to the left on the ruler... very strange... I Googled it up and did not find anything on this... am I the only one who has ever seen this, or is it normal but I am missing something obvious? TIA -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Bonjour,
Dans son message, Luc" luc."sanders2 écrivait : In this message, Luc" luc."sanders2 wrote: || Jean-Guy || Some time ago I asked a similar question here and this is what Suzanne || Barnhill responded. I am sure she will not be offended if I quote it he || If auto resizing is still enabled (Table | Properties | Table | Options), || you'll see some strange behavior. || Note that the effect of Shift and Control is reversed between cell || boundaries and ruler markers. For more on this, see || http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ableBasics.htm. Also, if you want || to set specific widths for columns, you're much better off using the old || Cell Height and Width Dialog (see || http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ePropProbs.htm). || Luc Thanks. I had found that thread when I Googled. BTW, AutoResize is off. These suggestions are fine but they do not apply in my case. I have no problems changing column width. It is just that the cell border handles on the Ruler (which displays all the cell borders when you click inside a table) are offset like so: On Ruler: |-------|-------|-------| on the page below the ruler: |-------|-------|-------| See? If I select the first cell, its border is at zero inch from the margin, but the ruler is offset to the left of the margin. Strange, no? Or am I missing the obvious? -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Ooops... Table woes partt 2!
Jean-Guy
I see what you mean, I am not able to reproduce the problem here in Word 2003 no matter what I try. Very strange indeed. Luc "Jean-Guy Marcil" schreef in bericht ... Bonjour, Dans son message, Luc" luc."sanders2 écrivait : In this message, Luc" luc."sanders2 wrote: || Jean-Guy || Some time ago I asked a similar question here and this is what Suzanne || Barnhill responded. I am sure she will not be offended if I quote it he || If auto resizing is still enabled (Table | Properties | Table | Options), || you'll see some strange behavior. || Note that the effect of Shift and Control is reversed between cell || boundaries and ruler markers. For more on this, see || http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ableBasics.htm. Also, if you want || to set specific widths for columns, you're much better off using the old || Cell Height and Width Dialog (see || http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/TblsFl...ePropProbs.htm). || Luc Thanks. I had found that thread when I Googled. BTW, AutoResize is off. These suggestions are fine but they do not apply in my case. I have no problems changing column width. It is just that the cell border handles on the Ruler (which displays all the cell borders when you click inside a table) are offset like so: On Ruler: |-------|-------|-------| on the page below the ruler: |-------|-------|-------| See? If I select the first cell, its border is at zero inch from the margin, but the ruler is offset to the left of the margin. Strange, no? Or am I missing the obvious? -- Salut! _______________________________________ Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP ISTOO Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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