If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more
convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org grammatim wrote: Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments; google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting. On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are following it actively, it is far more efficient. Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part of the previous message. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Paul" wrote in message ... I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok over and out. |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also
that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway (though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either). Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... For starters it has its own proofing tools. That was a big plus in my book. I was copy/pasting to Word when necessary. I held out on installing third-party proofing tools until Microsoft provided an alternative for Windows XP users. Part of it, of course, was sheer stubbornness but it also kept the issue fresh in my mind so I could mention it every chance I got. ;-) It also has many of the webnews features, such as the ratings, voting, etc so you can log on and see them if you want. I was using them until it kept eating my posts. Very frustrating to discover several days worth of posts missing! The Reading Pane can be displayed on the right like Outlook. I scroll a lot less now, especially for the bottom postings. There's a few other new features but I don't use any of them for the newsgroups. And, of course, it appears it quotes replies property. The one thing I don't like is my munged Reply To email address isn't used on posts, as it is in OE, but I resolved that by using a munged email address instead. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... What does it have that OE doesn't have? "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Then maybe it's time to make the switch to Windows Live Mail. g,d &r Seriously though, you can install it on Windows XP and provided you don't use the WebNews options (mainly due to the issue of posts getting eaten) it's almost identical to OE. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... My settings are identical to yours. Note below that there are the same number of in grammatim's reply to my post and my reply to him. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... It quotes correctly for me if I reply to grammatim. I'm using Windows Live Mail but it shouldn't be different from Outlook Express. What do you have set for your News Sending Options under Tools/Options/Send? I have: Plain Text and for Plain Text Settings: MIME, Encode using "None", wrap at 76, and the Indent Original text with "" option selected. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, I use Outlook Express, and all other replies are quoted correctly; yours (and perhaps others from Google Groups) are the exception. "grammatim" wrote in message ... That must be something going on at your end, because I get the 's (the correct number of them) whenever I do Reply. Have you tried google groups? On Feb 18, 12:33 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Worse still, when I reply to one of your messages, the quoted text isn't indicated by , so it's not practical to reply "inline." |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
... Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway (though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either). I've noted your resistance. That's why I was teasing you about making the switch. ;-) Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g). LOL if something happens I'll shoulder the blame and help you out with it. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again!
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org grammatim wrote: Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments; google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting. On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are following it actively, it is far more efficient. Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part of the previous message. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Paul" wrote in message ... I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok over and out. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
Ok, here's something to try Replying to.
(As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).) On Feb 19, 9:07*am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway (though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either).. Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g). |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
"grammatim" wrote in message
... (As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).) If you are referring to using it for email, I don't either. :-) I use Outlook. You can add the ability to post to the newsgroups within Outlook without the need to actually set it up for sending/receiving email. All you need to do is add the News button, found in the Go category of the Customize dialog box. Of course if you don't use Outlook then this isn't applicable. I don't think I could use Google Groups for the newsgroups. There's no need to view "pages" of posts in OE or Windows Live Mail, you can easily set your view to "Show replies to my messages", mark threads for watching, and most important to me, it keeps track of what you've read and not read. But I guess which one works the best is more a matter of what you get used to. :-) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
But grammatim has previously stated his preference for Google Groups as a
means of reading widely across Usenet; although he could connect directly to msnews, I believe his ISP doesn't offer a news server on which he could read the other groups, so he prefers to read them all in the same interface. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... "grammatim" wrote in message ... (As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).) If you are referring to using it for email, I don't either. :-) I use Outlook. You can add the ability to post to the newsgroups within Outlook without the need to actually set it up for sending/receiving email. All you need to do is add the News button, found in the Go category of the Customize dialog box. Of course if you don't use Outlook then this isn't applicable. I don't think I could use Google Groups for the newsgroups. There's no need to view "pages" of posts in OE or Windows Live Mail, you can easily set your view to "Show replies to my messages", mark threads for watching, and most important to me, it keeps track of what you've read and not read. But I guess which one works the best is more a matter of what you get used to. :-) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
Nope, still not quoting.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "grammatim" wrote in message ... Ok, here's something to try Replying to. (As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).) On Feb 19, 9:07 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway (though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either). Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g). |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
Like all advice he is free to accept or reject it.
You can lead a horse to water ..... -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again! "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org grammatim wrote: Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments; google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting. On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are following it actively, it is far more efficient. Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part of the previous message. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Paul" wrote in message ... I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok over and out. |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
Top posting in MS Newsgroups
OK lets see if this makes it. I had to click on Reply to Group, not reply to
sender.... "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Like all advice he is free to accept or reject it. You can lead a horse to water ..... -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again! "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org grammatim wrote: Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments; google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting. On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are following it actively, it is far more efficient. Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part of the previous message. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Paul" wrote in message ... I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok over and out. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|