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  #41  
Old August 15th, 2004, 04:39 AM
Jeff Conrad
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Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on Monday to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later than 97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing' process

on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I could play

them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of Windows.

Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible

for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97 Professional

Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing on the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an .exe file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very long time,

but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on for a

couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For example,

to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were launched

from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project became MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be able to

open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this utility came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need to show

a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where I can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past hour or

so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just thought I'd

see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.







  #42  
Old August 16th, 2004, 04:56 AM
TC
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I've downloaded a half dozen or so of these & will review them for my own
use. I'll post those reviews here, in due course, if anyone is interested.

Anyone interested?

TC


"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
There's a list at the following URL. Not all of these record video, some

of
them are just static screen capture apps, but there seem to be a few video
recording apps in there too ...

http://lan.tucows.com/scapt95_pop.html

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
"TC" wrote:

snip

I'm sure there are very similar products out there and probably more

powerful as well.
Microsoft may sell something themselves, I just haven't really looked

around.

If you hear of, or find anything of the sort, please post the

information
for us if you would. I for one would appreciate it very much. :-)

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.



"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Humm...I may just have to test this out with different

configurations
for my own curiosity.
Thanks for the info.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a

while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version

later
than 97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies
to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming
to
be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by

me
with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to

the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll
find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the

'playing'
process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I

could play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with

that
OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in

message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions

of
Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed

by
me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted

to
the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97

Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are

doing
on the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to

an
.exe file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a

very
long time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into

smaller
chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working

on
for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility.

For
example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were

launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project

became MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should

be
able to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this

utility came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these

as
well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I

need
to show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access

loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link

where
I can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the

past
hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just

thought I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.












  #43  
Old August 16th, 2004, 04:59 AM
TC
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Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others) for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on Monday

to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later than

97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible

for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'

process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I could

play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of

Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97 Professional

Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing on

the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an .exe

file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very long

time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller

chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on for a

couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For

example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were launched

from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project became

MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be able

to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this utility

came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as

well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need to

show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where I

can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past

hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just thought

I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.








  #44  
Old August 16th, 2004, 05:32 AM
Jeff Conrad
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Posts: n/a
Default

Hi TC,

Thanks for the update!
Given Camcorder's age I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say the simplicity and usability
is better than some of the other products. I would expect, as you mentioned, that the other products
would be full of extra 'goodies.'

I would love to hear any reviews you may have on the other products! Feel free to post back in this
thread or start a new one if you so desire.

I'm not sure if Camcorder requires any particular video codec for recording/playback. My recording
tests were on 98 and ME machines that had only the basic Windows OS installed and Office 97. I
cannot remember what the Media Player version was on my test machines. My tests on playback were on
98, NT, ME, and XP with pretty much all Windows Updates installed. I can test playback on 2000
tomorrow, but I'm sure it should work just fine.

I specifically remember viewing some pages either on Microsoft's site or on an XP machine that had
screen-capture recording used. They even talked about the program used. I've been racking my brain
trying to remember where I saw this, but no luck so far. I'll keep looking.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message ...
Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others) for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on Monday

to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later than

97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible

for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'

process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I could

play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of

Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97 Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing on

the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an .exe

file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very long

time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller

chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For

example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project became

MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be able

to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this utility

came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as

well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need to

show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where I

can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past

hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just thought

I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.










  #45  
Old August 16th, 2004, 06:56 AM
TC
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Posts: n/a
Default

Thanks for the further info. Jeff. I'll do some reviews over the next 5-7
days & post back here on completion.

Cheers,
TC
(off for the day)


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi TC,

Thanks for the update!
Given Camcorder's age I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say the

simplicity and usability
is better than some of the other products. I would expect, as you

mentioned, that the other products
would be full of extra 'goodies.'

I would love to hear any reviews you may have on the other products! Feel

free to post back in this
thread or start a new one if you so desire.

I'm not sure if Camcorder requires any particular video codec for

recording/playback. My recording
tests were on 98 and ME machines that had only the basic Windows OS

installed and Office 97. I
cannot remember what the Media Player version was on my test machines. My

tests on playback were on
98, NT, ME, and XP with pretty much all Windows Updates installed. I can

test playback on 2000
tomorrow, but I'm sure it should work just fine.

I specifically remember viewing some pages either on Microsoft's site or

on an XP machine that had
screen-capture recording used. They even talked about the program used.

I've been racking my brain
trying to remember where I saw this, but no luck so far. I'll keep

looking.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message

...
Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them

for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others)

for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if

anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec

being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and

XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on

Monday
to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a

while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later

than
97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'

process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I

could
play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that

OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of

Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies
to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming to
be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by

me
with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to

the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll
find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97

Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing

on
the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an

..exe
file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very

long
time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller

chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on

for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For

example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were

launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project

became
MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be

able
to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this

utility
came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as

well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need

to
show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access

loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where

I
can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past

hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just

thought
I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.












  #46  
Old August 16th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Brendan Reynolds
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Thanks Jeff - I obviously mis-remembered about ME. It looks like it is on NT
and its successors, Windows 2000 and XP, that recording won't work.

--
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http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on Monday

to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later than

97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it impossible

for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'

process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I could

play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of

Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97 Professional

Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing on

the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an .exe

file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very long

time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller

chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on for a

couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For

example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were launched

from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project became

MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be able

to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this utility

came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as

well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need to

show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where I

can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past

hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just thought

I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.








  #47  
Old August 17th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Jeff Conrad
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Posts: n/a
Default

Just FYI TC,

My old Help EXE screenshots made from Camcorder also work on Windows 2000 (with all updates).
Just tested them with no problems.
So they actually playback with no problems on 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message ...
Thanks for the further info. Jeff. I'll do some reviews over the next 5-7
days & post back here on completion.

Cheers,
TC
(off for the day)


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi TC,

Thanks for the update!
Given Camcorder's age I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say the

simplicity and usability
is better than some of the other products. I would expect, as you

mentioned, that the other products
would be full of extra 'goodies.'

I would love to hear any reviews you may have on the other products! Feel

free to post back in this
thread or start a new one if you so desire.

I'm not sure if Camcorder requires any particular video codec for

recording/playback. My recording
tests were on 98 and ME machines that had only the basic Windows OS

installed and Office 97. I
cannot remember what the Media Player version was on my test machines. My

tests on playback were on
98, NT, ME, and XP with pretty much all Windows Updates installed. I can

test playback on 2000
tomorrow, but I'm sure it should work just fine.

I specifically remember viewing some pages either on Microsoft's site or

on an XP machine that had
screen-capture recording used. They even talked about the program used.

I've been racking my brain
trying to remember where I saw this, but no luck so far. I'll keep

looking.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message

...
Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them

for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others)

for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if

anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec

being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and

XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on

Monday
to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a

while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later

than
97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'
process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I

could
play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that

OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of
Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it
impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies
to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming to
be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by

me
with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to

the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll
find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97

Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing

on
the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an

.exe
file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very

long
time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller
chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on

for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For
example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were

launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project

became
MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be

able
to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this

utility
came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as
well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need

to
show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access

loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where

I
can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past
hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just

thought
I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.














  #48  
Old August 19th, 2004, 05:02 AM
TC
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Posts: n/a
Default

Hi Jeff

The reviews that I promised, are still underway.

I have found an interesting thing, in passing: MS Camcorder is a general
purpose AVI-to-EXE converter!

Just open an arbitrary AVI file using File:Open, then re-save it using the
"save as standalone movie" option (or whatever it's called: I don't have
camcorder on this PC, to check). Voila!

Cheers,
TC



"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi TC,

Thanks for the update!
Given Camcorder's age I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say the

simplicity and usability
is better than some of the other products. I would expect, as you

mentioned, that the other products
would be full of extra 'goodies.'

I would love to hear any reviews you may have on the other products! Feel

free to post back in this
thread or start a new one if you so desire.

I'm not sure if Camcorder requires any particular video codec for

recording/playback. My recording
tests were on 98 and ME machines that had only the basic Windows OS

installed and Office 97. I
cannot remember what the Media Player version was on my test machines. My

tests on playback were on
98, NT, ME, and XP with pretty much all Windows Updates installed. I can

test playback on 2000
tomorrow, but I'm sure it should work just fine.

I specifically remember viewing some pages either on Microsoft's site or

on an XP machine that had
screen-capture recording used. They even talked about the program used.

I've been racking my brain
trying to remember where I saw this, but no luck so far. I'll keep

looking.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message

...
Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them

for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others)

for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if

anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec

being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and

XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on

Monday
to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a

while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later

than
97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted

without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'

process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I

could
play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that

OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of

Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies
to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming to
be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by

me
with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to

the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll
find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97

Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing

on
the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an

..exe
file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very

long
time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller

chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on

for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For

example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were

launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project

became
MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be

able
to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this

utility
came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as

well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need

to
show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access

loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where

I
can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past

hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just

thought
I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.












  #49  
Old August 19th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Jeff Conrad
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hi TC,

Well now that is a very interesting little gem you found!!
I will definitely play around with that.

Thanks for the info!

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon


"TC" wrote in message ...
Hi Jeff

The reviews that I promised, are still underway.

I have found an interesting thing, in passing: MS Camcorder is a general
purpose AVI-to-EXE converter!

Just open an arbitrary AVI file using File:Open, then re-save it using the
"save as standalone movie" option (or whatever it's called: I don't have
camcorder on this PC, to check). Voila!

Cheers,
TC



"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi TC,

Thanks for the update!
Given Camcorder's age I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say the

simplicity and usability
is better than some of the other products. I would expect, as you

mentioned, that the other products
would be full of extra 'goodies.'

I would love to hear any reviews you may have on the other products! Feel

free to post back in this
thread or start a new one if you so desire.

I'm not sure if Camcorder requires any particular video codec for

recording/playback. My recording
tests were on 98 and ME machines that had only the basic Windows OS

installed and Office 97. I
cannot remember what the Media Player version was on my test machines. My

tests on playback were on
98, NT, ME, and XP with pretty much all Windows Updates installed. I can

test playback on 2000
tomorrow, but I'm sure it should work just fine.

I specifically remember viewing some pages either on Microsoft's site or

on an XP machine that had
screen-capture recording used. They even talked about the program used.

I've been racking my brain
trying to remember where I saw this, but no luck so far. I'll keep

looking.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"TC" wrote in message

...
Great info.

I've downloaded a half-dozen or so similar products, & am reviewing them

for
my own use. So far, ms camcorder scores very well (against the others)

for
similicity & usability. But some of the others have a humungous # of
features that are probably not in camcorder.

I'll post my reviews of the other products here, in due course, if

anyone is
interested. Is anyone?

Do you know whether ms camcorder relies on any particular video codec

being
present on the recording and/or playback PCs?

Cheers,
TC


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Curiosity got the best of me so I tried this out some more for fun.
Microsoft Camcorder installs and runs just fine on Windows ME.
The AVI output shows nothing but a blank screen.
However, compressing to an EXE file runs just fine on 98, ME, NT, and

XP.
I'm pretty sure it will run on 2000 as well and I'll test that on

Monday
to be sure.
Just FYI.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Recording. I don't think it will work with ME, but it's been a

while, I
could be wrong. And no, it was not included with any version later

than
97.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it

impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail replies

to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail claiming to

be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by me

with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail, you'll

find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Brendan,

Are you referring to the actual recording process or the 'playing'
process
on later Windows
versions?
I know the utility could not record using an NT machine, but I

could
play
them on one.
I used 98 to record all the Help files.
Since Jan is still using ME, maybe by chance it works with that

OS???

Just a thought.
Do you know if that came bundled with 2000, 2002, or 2003?

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Brendan Reynolds" brenreyn at indigo dot ie wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, Camcorder doesn't work with recent versions of
Windows.
Some
problem with a missing video codec, whatever that means.

--
Brendan Reynolds (MVP)
http://brenreyn.blogspot.com

The spammers and script-kiddies have succeeded in making it
impossible
for
me to use a real e-mail address in public newsgroups. E-mail

replies
to
this post will be deleted without being read. Any e-mail

claiming to
be
from brenreyn at indigo dot ie that is not digitally signed by

me
with a
GlobalSign digital certificate is a forgery and should be

deleted
without
being read. Follow-up questions should in general be posted to

the
newsgroup, but if you have a good reason to send me e-mail,

you'll
find
a useable e-mail address at the URL above.

"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
Hi Jan,

Just a suggestion from left field.
Do you or your office still have a copy of Office 97

Professional
Edition?
On that CD is a program called Microsoft Camcorder.
In essence it is a utility that "records" what you are doing

on
the
screen.
You press start to record and then stop to finish.
You can then compress and covert the .avi output file to an

.exe
file.
The file could still be pretty big if you record for a very

long
time,
but
burning it onto a CD
should be no problem.
You could break up certain aspects of the project into smaller
chunks.

I have a personal restaurant database I have been working on

for a
couple
of years and for Version
1.0 ALL of my Help files were created with this utility. For
example,
to
display posting an invoice
I simply recorded an example. All of the Help topics were

launched
from a
"Help Form." It worked
very well, but became too much maintenance as the project

became
MUCH
bigger.

Since these are .exe files, virtually any computer should be

able
to
open
the files whether or not
they have any Access/Office version. I'm not sure if this

utility
came
bundled with later Office
versions. I know you can also purchase programs like these as
well.

Just a thought.

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
*281 Days Left*

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
Hi All - Access 2002 XP - Win ME

Is there an Viewer for Access like the one for Word? I need

to
show
a
sample
of an Access app. on a machine that does not have Access

loaded.

If so, I would truly appreciate a reference or a link where

I
can
downloaded
it. I've been searching for one on the Internet for the past
hour or
so,
but, haven't turned up any information for one yet. Just

thought
I'd
see
if
one was available before I went any further. :-)

Best regards.

Jan
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.














 




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