Odd Pantone color discrepancy

Hi Mike Koewler ),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Publisher might be using the older Pantone color standard.

Curious Mike. What do you mean by Pantone color Standard? As in Pantone
released a newer version of Reflex Blue for example, and Publisher hasn't
incorporated it into it's pantone chart yet?
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Brian,

http://www.pantone.com/support/suppo...73&platform=PC

You can also download a pdf file that displays values as well as colors.

Mike

Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] wrote:
Hi Mike Koewler ),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Publisher might be using the older Pantone color standard.

Curious Mike. What do you mean by Pantone color Standard? As in Pantone
released a newer version of Reflex Blue for example, and Publisher hasn't
incorporated it into it's pantone chart yet?

Hi Mike Koewler ),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Brian,
||
|| http://www.pantone.com/support/suppo...73&platform=PC
||
|| You can also download a pdf file that displays values as well as
|| colors.

Interesting...May of 2000.
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Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
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~pay it forward~

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.

The EPS refers to a Pantone color as well, but anyway, changing to
composition to CMYK+direct tone didn't solve the problem.

However, I found the source of discrepancy: when checking the colors
used in the Professional Printing Tools dialog box, I noticed that the
EPS, created by Adobe Illustrator, refers to Pantone Reflex Blue CV,
while the Publisher tone is Pantone Reflex Blue C. There is a small
difference of two units in Cyan and Yellow between both. Apparently,
Illustrator and Publisher standard do not match. The chart Mike
pointed to mentions a Reflex Blue PC, so I don't really understand why
the are so many Reflex Blue's in the first place. I think I'll have to
edit the EPS to make it comply correctly.

Brian asked if I could upload the EPS somewhere. Sorry, but I don't
think I'm allowed. It's a private company logo.

Raphael

"°°MS-Publisher°°" wrote in message ...
An EPS in CMYK should work without any issues.

c and cv are recognised as 2 totally different colors. so yes, your seps
would come out wacked. good investigative work.

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"Raphael Goubet" wrote in message
m...
The EPS refers to a Pantone color as well, but anyway, changing to
composition to CMYK+direct tone didn't solve the problem.

However, I found the source of discrepancy: when checking the colors
used in the Professional Printing Tools dialog box, I noticed that the
EPS, created by Adobe Illustrator, refers to Pantone Reflex Blue CV,
while the Publisher tone is Pantone Reflex Blue C. There is a small
difference of two units in Cyan and Yellow between both. Apparently,
Illustrator and Publisher standard do not match. The chart Mike
pointed to mentions a Reflex Blue PC, so I don't really understand why
the are so many Reflex Blue's in the first place. I think I'll have to
edit the EPS to make it comply correctly.

Brian asked if I could upload the EPS somewhere. Sorry, but I don't
think I'm allowed. It's a private company logo.

Raphael

"°°MS-Publisher°°" wrote in message
...
An EPS in CMYK should work without any issues.

btw.. the c,cv, etc are guides for how inks print on different types of
paper on the printing press. these programs try to emulate those effects.

--
"Display tolerance & kindness to those with less
knowledge than you because there is ALWAYS
someone with more"


"Raphael Goubet" wrote in message
m...
The EPS refers to a Pantone color as well, but anyway, changing to
composition to CMYK+direct tone didn't solve the problem.

However, I found the source of discrepancy: when checking the colors
used in the Professional Printing Tools dialog box, I noticed that the
EPS, created by Adobe Illustrator, refers to Pantone Reflex Blue CV,
while the Publisher tone is Pantone Reflex Blue C. There is a small
difference of two units in Cyan and Yellow between both. Apparently,
Illustrator and Publisher standard do not match. The chart Mike
pointed to mentions a Reflex Blue PC, so I don't really understand why
the are so many Reflex Blue's in the first place. I think I'll have to
edit the EPS to make it comply correctly.

Brian asked if I could upload the EPS somewhere. Sorry, but I don't
think I'm allowed. It's a private company logo.

Raphael

"°°MS-Publisher°°" wrote in message
...
An EPS in CMYK should work without any issues.

MS Publisher cannot "read" an eps file. Neither can most other applications,
including Quark, Indesign, etc.

An eps file is postscript code. the code defines the picture. Without an
interpreter, the code cannot be acted upon.

However...most eps files are created with a low resolution tiff or wmf
"preview". (most does not mean all, some don't have previews and thus will
display as simply a box, depending in how the app chooses to handle such
cases). It is this preview you see on screen. And print (unless you are
using a PostScript printer which does contain the interpreter and discards
the preview)

the preview in most cases is rgb (effectively, there is no such thing as a
Pantone colored tiff). This rgb will display differently on different
systems and from different applications. Sometimes even at different times.

there are many different "Pantones" used in the computer world . C, V, M, U,
CV, CVU, etc.

they all refer to the same color as it is mixed and applied as a real spot
color on press.

but they all have different rgb/cmyk "equivalents"

why this is I have not been able to find out (from the Panone people).

I suspect it has to do with the fact that a Reflex Blue on one kind of paper
will look a little different from the dsame ink run on anotehr kind of paper
and they are trying to tweak their formula so on screen it shows those
differences.

Better than that, however, would be a Pantone fan book and an admonition to
never iuse Pantone colors as a source for process output.

Reflex Blue, BTW, is something that cannot be emulated very well at all in
cmyk. Most "pretty" blues are impossible to get with process inks. they get
all purplish. Inkjet inks, some color toners...these sometimes handle the
conversion ok, but the pigments used and the conditions under which they are
used are not the same and one cannot extrapolate one to the other.