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Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
Erika wrote: snipped I have begged for this for years....and no luck. I agree with you 100%. FWIW, we have an extensive FAQ at http://www.publishermvps.com See, that's good! and useful! Every MVP should include that (or similar) in their sig so the information is accessible. -- Hugs, Erika |
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FWIW, we have an extensive FAQ at http://www.publishermvps.com See, that's good! and useful! Every MVP should include that (or similar) in their sig so the information is accessible. - Hugs, Erika Good idea, I didn't know about it. Even now I do, I might still forget (LOL) ~ Carrie |
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I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives
me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Erika" wrote in message ... Oziebill wrote: Your FAQ idea is a good one but only if people see it before submitting a question. Many of these people seem to enter via the MS Support site (appearing as ) - perhaps the MVP's could prevail on MS to include a 'good post' section in that form. The problem is not exclusively a 'publisher' one. Some FAQ's I have seen include a preamble on how to ask questions and are posted to the ng on a weekly basis. It really is a shame to see people who purchase MS products and ask questions (albeit badly in some cases) being abused. I'm surprised that MS has not intervened as it is its corporate image that is suffering as well. There was a chap called Mike Brannigan from MS who commented in these groups from time to time - perhaps he would care to contribute now. Thanks for your support on this issue. I think this discussion will cause people to think and reflect on their answers in the future. For a while anyway ;-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. I understand what you're saying, JoAnn. I worked on a help desk in the past and all the jokes are based on true tales. (Oh, the whole building has a power failure and all the lights are out, Mrs. Smith? No, your computer won't work right now.) But these people who somehow found there way here are clueless about Publisher, probably clueless about newsgroups in general, and they've probably just forked out a substantial amount of money for a program that's frustrating them. They don't come in as trolls. You could type an answer like this, once, and save it on your desktop or whatever and copy it over and over in about 6 seconds: "Please state your question clearly. And, here's the FAQ for the top 10 questions we get in the newsgroup: http://www.faq.domain.com. The answers you need might be listed there." It would be more welcoming, encouraging and respectful to the paying customer. I do admit that this works better in a moderated group, but I think it's worth trying. :-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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Erika
There are already websites covering some of the most frequently asked questions.. it is as easy for an OP to type their questions into a Google or MSN search to find them, but some have already done this.. what they want when they come here is a simple explanation in laymen terms, something like a two line answer that covers all exits.. that is not going to happen in many cases.. People expect, unreasonably so, to be able to buy Publisher and find a certificate template like 'Dad washing his first dish', and do not like the idea of having to learn how to customise an existing template.. anything more than a 5 minute tutorial is often more than they have time to do.. There has been criticism by some at the amount of websites one is directed to by MVPs.. accusations of us not knowing are stuff are not uncommon.. so what are we expected to do?.. type out long personalised answers addressing each OP's specific need, no answer ever requiring any ability on the OP's part?.. we are volunteers here, and have a life outside of offering to do their child's school project for them.. sometimes, we just can't win.. JoAnn might remember the guy who had bought Publisher such that his son could do something towards a school project... he was horrified to find out that his son would not just be able to click the 'Finish the school project' button.. when one or two of us suggested that he sit with his son and experiment a little, we were told in no uncertain terms that he did not have time for that, and that Microsoft should make it clear on the packaging that MS Publisher is not easy to use.. Overall, I think that this is one of the better newsgroups, one of my reasons for coming here at all.. the 'Publisher crew', Ed, Mary, Brian, JoAnn (apologies to anybody missed) are a good bunch.. they mix expertise with humour, which is a good thing.. unfortunately, humour to one person is offence to another.. So answer me this.. why isn't there a template for a gay Jewish wedding planner in Chinese characters cos they look pretty and the 'bride' is into Fung Shui where the location for the ceremony and reception is on Nasa's 747 used for 'weightless' training.. and why isn't there a template for a fund raising event that includes all of the people on my local Church social group?.. I am a very busy person and do not have the time to learn how to use Publisher, by the way.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Erika" wrote in message ... JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote: I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. I understand what you're saying, JoAnn. I worked on a help desk in the past and all the jokes are based on true tales. (Oh, the whole building has a power failure and all the lights are out, Mrs. Smith? No, your computer won't work right now.) But these people who somehow found there way here are clueless about Publisher, probably clueless about newsgroups in general, and they've probably just forked out a substantial amount of money for a program that's frustrating them. They don't come in as trolls. You could type an answer like this, once, and save it on your desktop or whatever and copy it over and over in about 6 seconds: "Please state your question clearly. And, here's the FAQ for the top 10 questions we get in the newsgroup: http://www.faq.domain.com. The answers you need might be listed there." It would be more welcoming, encouraging and respectful to the paying customer. I do admit that this works better in a moderated group, but I think it's worth trying. :-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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I love your ideas for templates!!! Especially the Dad one. With my dad it
would be "Dad figured out which end of screwdriver to use all by himself!". I think humor is getting to be a lost art. And laughing at oneself is so much fun - I do it a lot! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Erika There are already websites covering some of the most frequently asked questions.. it is as easy for an OP to type their questions into a Google or MSN search to find them, but some have already done this.. what they want when they come here is a simple explanation in laymen terms, something like a two line answer that covers all exits.. that is not going to happen in many cases.. People expect, unreasonably so, to be able to buy Publisher and find a certificate template like 'Dad washing his first dish', and do not like the idea of having to learn how to customise an existing template.. anything more than a 5 minute tutorial is often more than they have time to do.. There has been criticism by some at the amount of websites one is directed to by MVPs.. accusations of us not knowing are stuff are not uncommon.. so what are we expected to do?.. type out long personalised answers addressing each OP's specific need, no answer ever requiring any ability on the OP's part?.. we are volunteers here, and have a life outside of offering to do their child's school project for them.. sometimes, we just can't win.. JoAnn might remember the guy who had bought Publisher such that his son could do something towards a school project... he was horrified to find out that his son would not just be able to click the 'Finish the school project' button.. when one or two of us suggested that he sit with his son and experiment a little, we were told in no uncertain terms that he did not have time for that, and that Microsoft should make it clear on the packaging that MS Publisher is not easy to use.. Overall, I think that this is one of the better newsgroups, one of my reasons for coming here at all.. the 'Publisher crew', Ed, Mary, Brian, JoAnn (apologies to anybody missed) are a good bunch.. they mix expertise with humour, which is a good thing.. unfortunately, humour to one person is offence to another.. So answer me this.. why isn't there a template for a gay Jewish wedding planner in Chinese characters cos they look pretty and the 'bride' is into Fung Shui where the location for the ceremony and reception is on Nasa's 747 used for 'weightless' training.. and why isn't there a template for a fund raising event that includes all of the people on my local Church social group?.. I am a very busy person and do not have the time to learn how to use Publisher, by the way.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Erika" wrote in message ... JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote: I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. I understand what you're saying, JoAnn. I worked on a help desk in the past and all the jokes are based on true tales. (Oh, the whole building has a power failure and all the lights are out, Mrs. Smith? No, your computer won't work right now.) But these people who somehow found there way here are clueless about Publisher, probably clueless about newsgroups in general, and they've probably just forked out a substantial amount of money for a program that's frustrating them. They don't come in as trolls. You could type an answer like this, once, and save it on your desktop or whatever and copy it over and over in about 6 seconds: "Please state your question clearly. And, here's the FAQ for the top 10 questions we get in the newsgroup: http://www.faq.domain.com. The answers you need might be listed there." It would be more welcoming, encouraging and respectful to the paying customer. I do admit that this works better in a moderated group, but I think it's worth trying. :-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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JoAnn
Humour is a lost art for sure, but I am attempting a revival, as are you and the other PubVP's.. I accept Erika's statement to a point, but if people want nice, they should be in a Religious bookstore.. here we give advice, and try to educate a little.. there is nothing wrong with coercing computer users into trying the Publisher 'Insert' function themselves, and oft times, it takes more than a 'pretty please'.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . I love your ideas for templates!!! Especially the Dad one. With my dad it would be "Dad figured out which end of screwdriver to use all by himself!". I think humor is getting to be a lost art. And laughing at oneself is so much fun - I do it a lot! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Erika There are already websites covering some of the most frequently asked questions.. it is as easy for an OP to type their questions into a Google or MSN search to find them, but some have already done this.. what they want when they come here is a simple explanation in laymen terms, something like a two line answer that covers all exits.. that is not going to happen in many cases.. People expect, unreasonably so, to be able to buy Publisher and find a certificate template like 'Dad washing his first dish', and do not like the idea of having to learn how to customise an existing template.. anything more than a 5 minute tutorial is often more than they have time to do.. There has been criticism by some at the amount of websites one is directed to by MVPs.. accusations of us not knowing are stuff are not uncommon.. so what are we expected to do?.. type out long personalised answers addressing each OP's specific need, no answer ever requiring any ability on the OP's part?.. we are volunteers here, and have a life outside of offering to do their child's school project for them.. sometimes, we just can't win.. JoAnn might remember the guy who had bought Publisher such that his son could do something towards a school project... he was horrified to find out that his son would not just be able to click the 'Finish the school project' button.. when one or two of us suggested that he sit with his son and experiment a little, we were told in no uncertain terms that he did not have time for that, and that Microsoft should make it clear on the packaging that MS Publisher is not easy to use.. Overall, I think that this is one of the better newsgroups, one of my reasons for coming here at all.. the 'Publisher crew', Ed, Mary, Brian, JoAnn (apologies to anybody missed) are a good bunch.. they mix expertise with humour, which is a good thing.. unfortunately, humour to one person is offence to another.. So answer me this.. why isn't there a template for a gay Jewish wedding planner in Chinese characters cos they look pretty and the 'bride' is into Fung Shui where the location for the ceremony and reception is on Nasa's 747 used for 'weightless' training.. and why isn't there a template for a fund raising event that includes all of the people on my local Church social group?.. I am a very busy person and do not have the time to learn how to use Publisher, by the way.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Erika" wrote in message ... JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote: I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. I understand what you're saying, JoAnn. I worked on a help desk in the past and all the jokes are based on true tales. (Oh, the whole building has a power failure and all the lights are out, Mrs. Smith? No, your computer won't work right now.) But these people who somehow found there way here are clueless about Publisher, probably clueless about newsgroups in general, and they've probably just forked out a substantial amount of money for a program that's frustrating them. They don't come in as trolls. You could type an answer like this, once, and save it on your desktop or whatever and copy it over and over in about 6 seconds: "Please state your question clearly. And, here's the FAQ for the top 10 questions we get in the newsgroup: http://www.faq.domain.com. The answers you need might be listed there." It would be more welcoming, encouraging and respectful to the paying customer. I do admit that this works better in a moderated group, but I think it's worth trying. :-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) was very recently heard to
utter: I accept Erika's statement to a point, but if people want nice, they should be in a Religious bookstore.. ....or paying a consultant. -- Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher |
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I also believe that we need to convince people to learn something new
instead of having someone do it for them, actually *try* something instead of saying "Can I ....?", to elevate themselves. Yes, computers have gotten to be more user-friendly but instead of encouraging people to pick up new skills, some people have grown lazy and expect others, who generally learned things the old-fashion way (trial and error), to do it for them or tell them how to do something step by step. My personal policy is that I will teach someone how to do something. I'll even show them two or three times but if I even get an inkling that they are just letting me do their work, I stop. I have enough of my own work to do without doing someone else's. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... JoAnn Humour is a lost art for sure, but I am attempting a revival, as are you and the other PubVP's.. I accept Erika's statement to a point, but if people want nice, they should be in a Religious bookstore.. here we give advice, and try to educate a little.. there is nothing wrong with coercing computer users into trying the Publisher 'Insert' function themselves, and oft times, it takes more than a 'pretty please'.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . I love your ideas for templates!!! Especially the Dad one. With my dad it would be "Dad figured out which end of screwdriver to use all by himself!". I think humor is getting to be a lost art. And laughing at oneself is so much fun - I do it a lot! -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Erika There are already websites covering some of the most frequently asked questions.. it is as easy for an OP to type their questions into a Google or MSN search to find them, but some have already done this.. what they want when they come here is a simple explanation in laymen terms, something like a two line answer that covers all exits.. that is not going to happen in many cases.. People expect, unreasonably so, to be able to buy Publisher and find a certificate template like 'Dad washing his first dish', and do not like the idea of having to learn how to customise an existing template.. anything more than a 5 minute tutorial is often more than they have time to do.. There has been criticism by some at the amount of websites one is directed to by MVPs.. accusations of us not knowing are stuff are not uncommon.. so what are we expected to do?.. type out long personalised answers addressing each OP's specific need, no answer ever requiring any ability on the OP's part?.. we are volunteers here, and have a life outside of offering to do their child's school project for them.. sometimes, we just can't win.. JoAnn might remember the guy who had bought Publisher such that his son could do something towards a school project... he was horrified to find out that his son would not just be able to click the 'Finish the school project' button.. when one or two of us suggested that he sit with his son and experiment a little, we were told in no uncertain terms that he did not have time for that, and that Microsoft should make it clear on the packaging that MS Publisher is not easy to use.. Overall, I think that this is one of the better newsgroups, one of my reasons for coming here at all.. the 'Publisher crew', Ed, Mary, Brian, JoAnn (apologies to anybody missed) are a good bunch.. they mix expertise with humour, which is a good thing.. unfortunately, humour to one person is offence to another.. So answer me this.. why isn't there a template for a gay Jewish wedding planner in Chinese characters cos they look pretty and the 'bride' is into Fung Shui where the location for the ceremony and reception is on Nasa's 747 used for 'weightless' training.. and why isn't there a template for a fund raising event that includes all of the people on my local Church social group?.. I am a very busy person and do not have the time to learn how to use Publisher, by the way.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Erika" wrote in message ... JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote: I can handle bad grammar, misspelled words, and broken English. What drives me up a wall are "non-questions". Subject lines like "I want to make a newsletter" - and nothing in the large white space. I have no idea where they need their help. Do they not know to use a template? Are they trying to use a tabloid layout with a printer that can't print tabloid? Are they trying to send it to someone else for whatever reason and that person doesn't have Publisher? These are the things that make me respond "Okay. And your question is...?" I prefer not to read minds and I didn't get the official crystal ball that others seem to have. I'm just trying to help others and really appreciate it when they supply me with enough information to do so. I understand what you're saying, JoAnn. I worked on a help desk in the past and all the jokes are based on true tales. (Oh, the whole building has a power failure and all the lights are out, Mrs. Smith? No, your computer won't work right now.) But these people who somehow found there way here are clueless about Publisher, probably clueless about newsgroups in general, and they've probably just forked out a substantial amount of money for a program that's frustrating them. They don't come in as trolls. You could type an answer like this, once, and save it on your desktop or whatever and copy it over and over in about 6 seconds: "Please state your question clearly. And, here's the FAQ for the top 10 questions we get in the newsgroup: http://www.faq.domain.com. The answers you need might be listed there." It would be more welcoming, encouraging and respectful to the paying customer. I do admit that this works better in a moderated group, but I think it's worth trying. :-) -- Hugs, Erika |
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