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i read a thread one time that told me
i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs.
it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files.
You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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hi russ,
my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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You did not provide complete information.
What version of Office is installed? Just what is it you are trying to do? I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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hi russ,
i thought the Fax Service was part of XP, using XP Pro at the office, Home at home? no? i added thru the control panel|add/remove progs|add/remove windows components. [pardon my attachments, i hope they help explain. i added a couple of small screenshots so you can see the dialogue i am talking of, it seems either it is molded a little by each app or they have their own version of the dialogue they present to the screen, as there can be slight differences and i would therefore suppose some items can be changed] Just what is it you are trying to do? create a .tif file. I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. i've seen people open walnuts with a hammer, rather than a nutcracker, c'est la vie. but it does create a .tif when you 'print to file'. and i am trying to get a .tif file. so the question remains, on a single page file the 'print to file' checkbox comes up when a choose the printer. and, since my 1st post, i have found some software even with a multi-page post, allows that choice when you first hit the print dialogue, but before you choose the printer you want to go to. however, when i was using turbotax once i choose the 'print to file' dialogue doesnt come up. so i winds up going into the 'fax wizard' rather than asking me for an output file. the 'print to file' checkbox on the printing dialogue is defaulting to unchecked/blank/no. is it possible via the registry perhaps, to have the default be checked/true? thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... You did not provide complete information. What version of Office is installed? Just what is it you are trying to do? I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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Look at my post again.
I asked you what version of Office is installed because that will determine the file association for TIF files. After that I can test your scenario. As I said, I've never seen anyone use the Fax Service just to generate local TIF files. I'm not sure that's one of its supported functions. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, i thought the Fax Service was part of XP, using XP Pro at the office, Home at home? no? i added thru the control panel|add/remove progs|add/remove windows components. [pardon my attachments, i hope they help explain. i added a couple of small screenshots so you can see the dialogue i am talking of, it seems either it is molded a little by each app or they have their own version of the dialogue they present to the screen, as there can be slight differences and i would therefore suppose some items can be changed] Just what is it you are trying to do? create a .tif file. I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. i've seen people open walnuts with a hammer, rather than a nutcracker, c'est la vie. but it does create a .tif when you 'print to file'. and i am trying to get a .tif file. so the question remains, on a single page file the 'print to file' checkbox comes up when a choose the printer. and, since my 1st post, i have found some software even with a multi-page post, allows that choice when you first hit the print dialogue, but before you choose the printer you want to go to. however, when i was using turbotax once i choose the 'print to file' dialogue doesnt come up. so i winds up going into the 'fax wizard' rather than asking me for an output file. the 'print to file' checkbox on the printing dialogue is defaulting to unchecked/blank/no. is it possible via the registry perhaps, to have the default be checked/true? thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... You did not provide complete information. What version of Office is installed? Just what is it you are trying to do? I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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russ,
i am running officeXP, however, i am vague on needing to know the association to the .tif extension. when you create the .tif file it isnt a result of clicking on a .tif. it is the result of choosing the FAX as the print device, clicking on 'print to file' and then typing a filename/path into the dialogue that comes up. the dialogue wants to default to .prn (whether the printer chosen is FAX or other), but it is actually generating a .tif (when the printer is FAX) as that is the (i guess default) format for a fax file. you can save it as a .prn and then rename it to .tif if you want but the file really is a .tif. anyhow, after creating the file most file viewers will show the image file fine. printing a text/doc file to FAX, then using the 'print to file' capability of that dialogue, does work fine. so i would suppose that is a supported function. my only problem is why some print dialogues show the 'print to file' others not. if the 'print to file' can be changed to the default for the dialogue then in the case of programs who dont offer the choice i can still get the file as i would change the behavior of the print dialogue to force it to the 'print to file'. i wouldnt leave it that way permanently as it would be a pita to have a all printouts go to file. thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Look at my post again. I asked you what version of Office is installed because that will determine the file association for TIF files. After that I can test your scenario. As I said, I've never seen anyone use the Fax Service just to generate local TIF files. I'm not sure that's one of its supported functions. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, i thought the Fax Service was part of XP, using XP Pro at the office, Home at home? no? i added thru the control panel|add/remove progs|add/remove windows components. [pardon my attachments, i hope they help explain. i added a couple of small screenshots so you can see the dialogue i am talking of, it seems either it is molded a little by each app or they have their own version of the dialogue they present to the screen, as there can be slight differences and i would therefore suppose some items can be changed] Just what is it you are trying to do? create a .tif file. I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. i've seen people open walnuts with a hammer, rather than a nutcracker, c'est la vie. but it does create a ..tif when you 'print to file'. and i am trying to get a .tif file. so the question remains, on a single page file the 'print to file' checkbox comes up when a choose the printer. and, since my 1st post, i have found some software even with a multi-page post, allows that choice when you first hit the print dialogue, but before you choose the printer you want to go to. however, when i was using turbotax once i choose the 'print to file' dialogue doesnt come up. so i winds up going into the 'fax wizard' rather than asking me for an output file. the 'print to file' checkbox on the printing dialogue is defaulting to unchecked/blank/no. is it possible via the registry perhaps, to have the default be checked/true? thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... You did not provide complete information. What version of Office is installed? Just what is it you are trying to do? I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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So your question is really about the Print dialog that various applications
provide, not the Fax Service, right? And the Fax Service will render a TIF file when you use the Print To File command and force the file extension, right? The reason I asked about your Office version is that I was trying to reproduce your problem to come up with a workaround. When you said that Microsoft Office Document Imaging was invoked at one point, that suggested the presence of Office 2003, which changes several default settings for rendering documents as TIF files that might have had an impact on this behavior. MODI becomes the default application for doing so once Office 2003 is installed. The Windows XP Fax Service will always render as a TIF file, but it may use the print routine of the document's originating application to do so. It seems your question may have more to do with the print dialogs of various applications than with the fax service. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... russ, i am running officeXP, however, i am vague on needing to know the association to the .tif extension. when you create the .tif file it isnt a result of clicking on a .tif. it is the result of choosing the FAX as the print device, clicking on 'print to file' and then typing a filename/path into the dialogue that comes up. the dialogue wants to default to .prn (whether the printer chosen is FAX or other), but it is actually generating a .tif (when the printer is FAX) as that is the (i guess default) format for a fax file. you can save it as a .prn and then rename it to .tif if you want but the file really is a .tif. anyhow, after creating the file most file viewers will show the image file fine. printing a text/doc file to FAX, then using the 'print to file' capability of that dialogue, does work fine. so i would suppose that is a supported function. my only problem is why some print dialogues show the 'print to file' others not. if the 'print to file' can be changed to the default for the dialogue then in the case of programs who dont offer the choice i can still get the file as i would change the behavior of the print dialogue to force it to the 'print to file'. i wouldnt leave it that way permanently as it would be a pita to have a all printouts go to file. thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Look at my post again. I asked you what version of Office is installed because that will determine the file association for TIF files. After that I can test your scenario. As I said, I've never seen anyone use the Fax Service just to generate local TIF files. I'm not sure that's one of its supported functions. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, i thought the Fax Service was part of XP, using XP Pro at the office, Home at home? no? i added thru the control panel|add/remove progs|add/remove windows components. [pardon my attachments, i hope they help explain. i added a couple of small screenshots so you can see the dialogue i am talking of, it seems either it is molded a little by each app or they have their own version of the dialogue they present to the screen, as there can be slight differences and i would therefore suppose some items can be changed] Just what is it you are trying to do? create a .tif file. I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. i've seen people open walnuts with a hammer, rather than a nutcracker, c'est la vie. but it does create a .tif when you 'print to file'. and i am trying to get a .tif file. so the question remains, on a single page file the 'print to file' checkbox comes up when a choose the printer. and, since my 1st post, i have found some software even with a multi-page post, allows that choice when you first hit the print dialogue, but before you choose the printer you want to go to. however, when i was using turbotax once i choose the 'print to file' dialogue doesnt come up. so i winds up going into the 'fax wizard' rather than asking me for an output file. the 'print to file' checkbox on the printing dialogue is defaulting to unchecked/blank/no. is it possible via the registry perhaps, to have the default be checked/true? thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... You did not provide complete information. What version of Office is installed? Just what is it you are trying to do? I've never seen anyone use the Windows XP Fax Service just to generate a TIF file. That's not what it's for. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... hi russ, my default .tif view is to an 'Microsoft Office Document Imaging File', uses a program called mspview. i can change to the program suggestion you made, and i'm sure it would use that viewer. are you sure changing viewers would affect the fax printer driver, print to file option? or give me the ability to create a .tif of a document i am trying to print, whether from excel, or a word processor or whatever? thanks. jim not sure i am understanding you correctly "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... Windows Imaging and Fax viewer must be your default viewer for TIF files. You can easily restore that setting in Windows Explorer Folder Options. File Types. For most users the command line should read: "rundll32.exe drive:\WINDOWS\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fu llscreen %1" -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i could use FAX, in winXP, as a printer to 'print to file' and create .tifs. it does and works great i have recently run into a problem tho. that works for single page prints, the print dialogue comes up and has a checkbox to 'print to file' then lets me type in a filename. but when i use some software the print dialogue when it comes up, doesnt have the 'print to file' checkbox or in the case of TurboTax when it has a whole bunch of pages to print, you never see the 'print to file' between pages, it just goes straight to the fax wizard. i found a work-around somewhat by using the wizard and then doing a 'preview' it brings up my paint program and that lets me use the single-page print to fax dialogue. is there a registry entry to make the default 'print to file' box be checked? i looked around the registry some but didnt stumble over anything i recognized that would help. failing a msfax based solution, anyone have any other ideas on a program to make a textfile into a .tif? thanks. jim microsoft.public.outlook.fax |
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i think we are now on track.
as i understand, very poorly im sure, windows is made up of lots of code, some routines of which other developers can call and pass variables to, if necessary. there seems to be an option in the generic microsoft print dialogue/program/routine that permits 'print to file' being selected. whoever is writing for it or perhaps calling it, can 1)show the 'print to file dialogue 2) maybe allow the checkbox to be filled in 'X' rather than ' '. as some dialogues show it, others dont. but if perhaps the checkbox can be selected true, via the registry, even if not shown on the dialogue itself, then it would force, hopefully, the print to file to be executed, altho the programmer didnt intend it when he made up the dialogue for the particular application, like turbotax. if it can be gotten to via the registry, or any other suggestion you may have, then i would like to be able to do so, for reasons already enumerated, and try to force the .tif file creation. thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... So your question is really about the Print dialog that various applications provide, not the Fax Service, right? And the Fax Service will render a TIF file when you use the Print To File command and force the file extension, right? The reason I asked about your Office version is that I was trying to reproduce your problem to come up with a workaround. When you said that Microsoft Office Document Imaging was invoked at one point, that suggested the presence of Office 2003, which changes several default settings for rendering documents as TIF files that might have had an impact on this behavior. MODI becomes the default application for doing so once Office 2003 is installed. The Windows XP Fax Service will always render as a TIF file, but it may use the print routine of the document's originating application to do so. It seems your question may have more to do with the print dialogs of various applications than with the fax service. -- Russ Valentine |
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I would have no idea. I'm just a dumb cardiologist who knows a little about
the fax service and nothing at all about the programming interfaces to Windows XP. -- Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook] "jim sturtz" wrote in message ... i think we are now on track. as i understand, very poorly im sure, windows is made up of lots of code, some routines of which other developers can call and pass variables to, if necessary. there seems to be an option in the generic microsoft print dialogue/program/routine that permits 'print to file' being selected. whoever is writing for it or perhaps calling it, can 1)show the 'print to file dialogue 2) maybe allow the checkbox to be filled in 'X' rather than ' '. as some dialogues show it, others dont. but if perhaps the checkbox can be selected true, via the registry, even if not shown on the dialogue itself, then it would force, hopefully, the print to file to be executed, altho the programmer didnt intend it when he made up the dialogue for the particular application, like turbotax. if it can be gotten to via the registry, or any other suggestion you may have, then i would like to be able to do so, for reasons already enumerated, and try to force the .tif file creation. thanks. jim "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message ... So your question is really about the Print dialog that various applications provide, not the Fax Service, right? And the Fax Service will render a TIF file when you use the Print To File command and force the file extension, right? The reason I asked about your Office version is that I was trying to reproduce your problem to come up with a workaround. When you said that Microsoft Office Document Imaging was invoked at one point, that suggested the presence of Office 2003, which changes several default settings for rendering documents as TIF files that might have had an impact on this behavior. MODI becomes the default application for doing so once Office 2003 is installed. The Windows XP Fax Service will always render as a TIF file, but it may use the print routine of the document's originating application to do so. It seems your question may have more to do with the print dialogs of various applications than with the fax service. -- Russ Valentine |
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