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2 GB too large?
Brian,
I'm not going to get into this urinating contest. :-) Both programs have their strengths, both can be improved. It's a horses for courses type thing. Mike P.S. I NEVER link a picture, they are always embedded. Five years from now, when I want to open a file, I don't want to search for a photo. For the most part, if I embed the photos and save the file, its size is usually than if I link the file and save the photo. Mike Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] wrote: PagePlus links pictures PROPERLY without any issues, While this is a known bug in Publisher, it has no effect on creating a newspaper. It just happens that the picture is linked AND embeded. If you do embed a picture in PagePlus it retains the picture in original format - unlike Publisher which blows them up. Not true. At least not true in Publisher 2002/2003 PagePlus has the Portfolio feature which is just magic for re-using objects. As does Pubilsher. The Design Gallery performs the same as the Portfolio. You can re-use publisher objects, html objects, text objects, clipart, smart objects, etc. PagePlus has a FULL set of defaults that work As does Publisher 2002/2003. And if you are looking beyond margin/tab/paragraph/font defaults, there is a free add-in available for adding even more defaults. In fact, with the Object Model in Publisher, it almost unlimited. PagePlus has a comprehensive and highly useful set of drawing tools far more suited to creating things for a newspaper than Publisher. Publisher does indeed have excellent drawing tools. However, comprehensive drawing tools should be left to drawing programs for serious drawing. That is why Serif offers the excellent DrawPlus for an additional fee. PagePlus has FX effects which Publisher has no answer to. Publisher has VBA for programming routine functions, say in a newspaper for print for commericial printing, which PagePlus has no answer to. Not to mention, users of older versions of PagePlus have no way of opening files sent to them in newer versions. And if you want FX effects, get a drawing program. PagePlus has PDF built in with no extras to buy Plenty of free alternatives for Publisher. No extras to buy. PagePlus converts to HTML without any issues and will retain the format including columns if they want to publish the newspaper as HTML or of course PDF. Publisher converts to HTML just fine, PDF can be converted via a free printer driver. Publisher has no ability to convert the document directly to HTML Publisher indeed does. PagePlus has a TOC (Table of Contents) or an Index function. Publisher does not. However, over 90% of the systems running Publisher have Microsoft Word, which is superior for making TOC's and Index, which can be accessed and used in Publisher. And as noted by Mikes excellent PagePlus created newspaper, the TOC remains consistent in a template each issue. Publisher can use the same feature, and on top of that use Smart Objects that once you enter a TOC title, it also automagically adds the title to a corresponding text box for that particular story. PagePlus has up to 99 undo's Publisher 2002/2003 is unlimited (except via the memory). I remember when I pointed out that the new Works was better than the old Works 4.5 because of it's unlimited undo and you said that "you are pathetic if you need that many undo's". Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? :-) It is a NO contest between Publisher and PagePlus to do a weekly newspaper. Depends on the user. I have had Serif PagePlus on my system for Version 4.0, 8.0 and 9.0 and have found nothing compelling to TAKE me away from Publisher. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. You use which ever you are comfortable with. Publisher is aimed more at the small business user and is more suitable for short documents, flyers, invitations etc. etc. And long documents, full color magazines, newspapers, etc. I have 4 issues of RC (Radio Control) Magazine from England. It looks just like the MotorTrends/People high quality magazines, and is done entirely in Publisher, and sold at their magazine stands and drug stores. Granted, they don't have as fancy of camera's, so the pictures are not quite as perfect as say GQ, but it's awesome quality none the less. Sure Publisher is a good program, but it has far to many limitations and falls down in so many areas to do a larger document, and especially a weekly newspaper where speed and functionality is so important. Not true. If you wanted to get nit picky, I could ramble on how PagePlus doesn't have a translation feature, isn't supported in as many countries/languages, doesn't support *.mht output, doesn't support File Send as an embeded email in Outlook, doesn't support a catalog merge with images, doesn't support a Pack & Go, doesn't support the ability to save as older versions to share with other PagePlus users for editing, 24 item clipboard, hundreds of professional online templates free for download from Microsoft, continuous online help updates, graphics manager for locating multiple objects in a Publication for replacing (at least not that I have found), smart tags that connect to stocks, encyclopedias and searches (which also include the ability to add parental controls to the smart links/tags in Publisher publications), shared workspace for sharepoint services, design checker, and let me know if I should keep going. However, I do enjoy Serif's advantage with built in PDF, with PDF Hyperlink support, and PDF security, it's drawing tools and it's ability to center webpages in browsers, unlike Publisher. And I enjoy the Serif Community as much as I do the Publisher community. Great people, great ideas. And Dale and Patrick at Serif are also excellent guys. Again, to each his own. I do recommend both products of course, but I am a bit biased to what I know very well. And I know Publisher very well. |
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2 GB too large?
A small child turns to Ed, and exclaims: "Look! Look! A post from
°°MS-Publisher°° !"... Brian it is true. If you put in a JPG into a Publisher doco it converts it to a PNG internally which is a larger file than a JPG. NOT TRUE. I have just tested this. I inserted a 255,102 byte JPG into a 32,256 byte blank Publisher file, and on saving the filesize went up to 290,304. That is not unreasonable - there is about 3k difference, which is probably Publisher's header on the image. I then converted the JPG to PNG in IrfanView, and the PNG was 3,203,584 bytes in size. I deleted the JPG from the Publisher file and saved it, and checking the filesize it had gone back down to 32,256. I inserted the PNG into the Publisher file, and the Publisher filesize went up to 3,261,440. From this I think it is safe to draw the conclusion that Publisher will NOT always convert images to PNG. Out of interest, I then converted my image to an uncompressed BMP, with a size of 9,290,358 bytes. I deleted the image from my Publisher file, checking that the size was once again 32,256 bytes, and inserted my BMP. On saving, the Publisher filesize was 3,561,984 bytes. This confirms the conclusion I reached a long time ago and the advice I have given users: Publisher stores the image in its original format with the original compression, unless the filesize can be reduced by converting the image to PNG format, in which case it converts the image to a losslessly compressed PNG internally and stores it like that. So I am totally correct in my original post. Or not. Brian PagePlus requires NO add-ins, it is all built into the program. You mean there's no way at all you could get PagePlus to function better by getting it to repeat some arduous task over and over. I want to insert 1,000 circles at random intervals on a page to make it look like bubbles, I can write about 10 lines of VBA and it is all done for me. Without VBA support, I would have to draw 1,000 circles (that's a minimum of 1,000 drag-drop operations, and 1,000 holdings of the shift key, plus any extras to add fills) If you were honest you would admit the add-ins for Publisher are amateurish in the extreme in operation. Gee, thanks. I love you too. The Object Model in Publisher is about as useful as the tits on a bull. To YOU. Because you don't choose to make usre of it. Brian you continually harp on about the VBA functions, but as you know few to nobody Oh, so now I'm a nobody. use them as Publisher users don't want to be programmers. You don't have to be a programmer to install a Publisher add-in. And you hardly have to be a programmer to write a few lines of VBA. Now that you always rave on about the VBA functions in Publisher then show us all the VBA examples you have done and your portfolio of improved artwork. VBA doesn't improve artwork, it allows you to accomplish repetetive tasks easily. What is this horse manure about PagePlus not being able to open files from older versions. Which planet are you living on. If you actually read his post you would see that he said that OLDER versions of PP cannot open files from NEWER versions. Brian get real will you. None of the free alternatives are up to the functionality or the need of CMYK and printer settings. Built-in functionality is almost always dangerous, IMO. If one thing goes wrong, it can cause a load of other things to go wrong. That's why I don't buy all-in-one printers. I don't want to take you away from Publisher, but for a weekly newspaper Serif PagePlus is a substantially superior tool to Publisher for all the right reasons. PagePlus is the right tool for the job. In your opinion. Some would say that Adobe PageMaker or InDesign was the ONLY and/or RIGHT tool for the job. If the program can do what you need it to do, and you're comfortable with it, than I'd say that it is the right program for the job. So for YOU, PagePlus is the right tool. For Brian, Publisher is the right t ool. For some, Corel Ventura is the right tool. I also recommend both products, but for a weekly newspaper or longer documents like magazines with adverts etc. PagePlus is a substantially better program for the job. For you. -- Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/ Before reading this message, view the disclaimer: http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm |
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Hi °°MS-Publisher°° ),
in the newsgroups you posted: | Brian it is true. If you put in a JPG into a Publisher doco it | converts it to a PNG internally which is a larger file than a JPG. | So I am totally correct in my original post. I was going to reply to your post to debunk, but Ed did a great job for me :-) -- Brian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com ~pay it forward~ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. |
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Hi Mike Koewler ),
in the newsgroups you posted: || Brian, || || I'm not going to get into this urinating contest. :-) Both programs || have their strengths, both can be improved. It's a horses for || courses type thing. Good, cuz urine is gross :-) || P.S. I NEVER link a picture, they are always embedded. Five years || from || now, when I want to open a file, I don't want to search for a photo. || For the most part, if I embed the photos and save the file, its size || is || usually than if I link the file and save the photo. Ditto. -- Brian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com ~pay it forward~ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. |
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Brian K so what, look what they are used for - all pretty damn useless when
you get to look at them. Half are for little brainless kiddies like Ed or to overcome bugs that should have been fixed before release. -- "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there!" |
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In ,
°°MS-Publisher°° posted: || Brian K so what, look what they are used for - all pretty damn || useless when you get to look at them. || Half are for little brainless kiddies like Ed or to overcome bugs || that should have been fixed before release. BS -- Brian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com ~pay it forward~ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. |
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2 GB too large?
BS = Bloody Sure and correct.
-- "Never give your mind or heart away" |
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2 GB too large?
Yawn.
-- Brian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com ~pay it forward~ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "°°MS-Publisher°°" wrote in message ... BS = Bloody Sure and correct. -- "Never give your mind or heart away" |
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