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  #31  
Old December 15th, 2004, 05:28 AM
Mike Hall
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The paint used for decorating eggs washes off.. the same can't be said of
printer refill ink..


"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
For the record:

I don't care about color fidelity. If I was using the printer to create
color proofs, I wouldn't be using this printer! This is an el-cheapo
printer used to print el-cheapo outputs.

If refilling the tanks isn't any messier than coloring Easter eggs, I can
live with the mess. :-)

Mike

Mike Hall wrote:

One of the prime reasons for buying an HP is that one gets a new
printhead at each cartridge, thereby retaining print quality.. it also
has to be said that HP technology has ensured that their printers are
economical in use.. if a printer is so heavy on ink that refills are
considered, I would trash the printer and buy an HP..

The refill people maintain that their ink is exactly the same, but
experience has shown me that the depth of color is lacking, and it dries
way too slow when used at any speed and especially fast draft on an HP..
that and the fact that printing ink is next to impossible to remove from
clothes, hands etc..

JoAnn, they will all learn in time..


"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...

Exactly! I know the printer wasn't top of the line but that refill kit
coincided with the death of the printer. Not sure if it *caused* it but
we decided it just isn't worth saving pennies if it's going to cost you
the price of another printer.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Ed Bennett" wrote in message
...

While waiting for decisions from his 6 university choices, Ed sees a
message from JoAnn Paules . On it is written:

Been there- tried that. YUCK!! Messy and the quality really sucked.
Everything turned to shades of grey. And that was in the first
printer we owned - a Canon. Never again will we (1) buy refill kits
or (2) buy a Canon. HPs do rock!

I'll reiterate that - it's exactly the experience I had with mine.

Either refills killed the printer or the printer died from being crap -
but either way I'm not doing Canons or refills for a while (not planning
on buying a new printer for a while anyway, so it's entirely
hypothetical)

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm








  #32  
Old December 15th, 2004, 06:07 AM
Ron Cohen
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Don't sell that i860 short. Using a decent photo paper, you can create lab
quality photos.
--
Ron Cohen

"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
For the record:

I don't care about color fidelity. If I was using the printer to create
color proofs, I wouldn't be using this printer! This is an el-cheapo
printer used to print el-cheapo outputs.

If refilling the tanks isn't any messier than coloring Easter eggs, I can
live with the mess. :-)

Mike

Mike Hall wrote:

One of the prime reasons for buying an HP is that one gets a new
printhead at each cartridge, thereby retaining print quality.. it also
has to be said that HP technology has ensured that their printers are
economical in use.. if a printer is so heavy on ink that refills are
considered, I would trash the printer and buy an HP..

The refill people maintain that their ink is exactly the same, but
experience has shown me that the depth of color is lacking, and it dries
way too slow when used at any speed and especially fast draft on an HP..
that and the fact that printing ink is next to impossible to remove from
clothes, hands etc..

JoAnn, they will all learn in time..


"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...

Exactly! I know the printer wasn't top of the line but that refill kit
coincided with the death of the printer. Not sure if it *caused* it but
we decided it just isn't worth saving pennies if it's going to cost you
the price of another printer.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"Ed Bennett" wrote in message
...

While waiting for decisions from his 6 university choices, Ed sees a
message from JoAnn Paules . On it is written:

Been there- tried that. YUCK!! Messy and the quality really sucked.
Everything turned to shades of grey. And that was in the first
printer we owned - a Canon. Never again will we (1) buy refill kits
or (2) buy a Canon. HPs do rock!

I'll reiterate that - it's exactly the experience I had with mine.

Either refills killed the printer or the printer died from being crap -
but either way I'm not doing Canons or refills for a while (not planning
on buying a new printer for a while anyway, so it's entirely
hypothetical)

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/
Before reading this message, view the disclaimer:
http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm








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  #33  
Old December 16th, 2004, 02:28 AM
Sam
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I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7
months for my R200 and C86. It works really cool, much "more" than what
I expected. I bought a system - it can
works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told
me.

Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to
make money from me "again".
Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only
last 3-6 months, and you have
get back to them and buy the whole system again.


Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to
the way the original
cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or
batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly
drains to
the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head.

The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control
the ink flow, so it doesn't just drip out once the ink outlet of the
cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the
head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head
carriage movement.

In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the
system uses
standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color
compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink.

The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the
surface of this sponge or
batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in
the
system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if
you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary
problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or
batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink
flow.

Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design.
The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them
difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They
got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They
added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air
surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the
flow so they don't leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the
ink
outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage.
Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed.

Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as
mentioned above, and Epson's more complex design has potential problems

for a continuous ink system as well. That's where InkRepublic.com's ink
dampers come in.
They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a
problem with
siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous
ink system.

The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were
jury-rigged, and although
they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were

not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these

installation users, either when they first get installed (and the
difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after

they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge
system comes out of the closet.

With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that
tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems
often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc.

One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is
because continuous ink systems tend to
use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design

would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks
on the other.

But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK,
their
system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means:


1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers
without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new
chipsets, that's it. This is big saving.

2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout.

3. No clogging, no leaking.

4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can
always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system.
InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At
least they are more customized and customers oriented.

Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins,
I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that
can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from
http://www.InkRepublic.com


Here are more reference for you:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp
http://www.digitalanime.com.br/epson

  #34  
Old December 16th, 2004, 03:07 AM
Mike Koewler
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Sam,

I wanted advice, not a marketing spiel. Ron and Sarah have done a great
job of giving useful information, without trying to "sell" anything,
which is what usenet is supposed to be about.

Sarah, since I'm thinking about it, my address is:

Valley Courier
218 W. Benson St.
Reading, OH 45215
USA

Yeah, I know - posting an address in a public forum, but at least it's a
business address!

Mike



Sam wrote:

I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7
months for my R200 and C86. It works really cool, much "more" than what
I expected. I bought a system - it can
works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told
me.

Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to
make money from me "again".
Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only
last 3-6 months, and you have
get back to them and buy the whole system again.


Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to
the way the original
cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or
batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly
drains to
the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head.

The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control
the ink flow, so it doesn't just drip out once the ink outlet of the
cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the
head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head
carriage movement.

In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the
system uses
standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color
compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink.

The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the
surface of this sponge or
batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in
the
system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if
you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary
problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or
batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink
flow.

Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design.
The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them
difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They
got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They
added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air
surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the
flow so they don't leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the
ink
outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage.
Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed.

Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as
mentioned above, and Epson's more complex design has potential problems

for a continuous ink system as well. That's where InkRepublic.com's ink
dampers come in.
They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a
problem with
siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous
ink system.

The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were
jury-rigged, and although
they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were

not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these

installation users, either when they first get installed (and the
difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after

they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge
system comes out of the closet.

With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that
tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems
often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc.

One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is
because continuous ink systems tend to
use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design

would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks
on the other.

But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK,
their
system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means:


1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers
without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new
chipsets, that's it. This is big saving.

2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout.

3. No clogging, no leaking.

4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can
always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system.
InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At
least they are more customized and customers oriented.

Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins,
I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that
can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from
http://www.InkRepublic.com


Here are more reference for you:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp
http://www.digitalanime.com.br/epson


 




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