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  #21  
Old September 11th, 2005, 08:54 AM
ChrisB
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It's currently an issue with the colours - RGB vs CMYK. He did the proofs
for us but the colours were not perfect so we need to sort out where the
problem lies which I am sure has something to do with the way it was
converted to pdf
"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote in message
...
If you give a printer a good pdf he shouldn't care much how it got
created. I've never had problem handing printers my pdfs...previously had
been giving them EPS and for me (not a printer) that was a moderate pain
sometimes.


"ChrisB" wrote in message
...
OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif Page
Plus welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our magazine.

Thanks
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
Chris,

Before you buy Acrobat, you might want to take a look at Serif Page
Plus. It's similar to Pub, as far as the tools go, but it can create
industry standard PDF/X1-a pdf files. It might save you several dollars
and make your life easier.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:
Oh I see... well actually HE was the one having the problem! I sent
him the Publisher file but he was unable to save it to a PDF himself.
However, having done some research on the Microsoft site, it appears
that we might need to use a different method - i.e. saving it as a ps
file first being one option and another option was mentioned too.

He was doing it for me because I only had a 'free' version of pdf
software which didn't give me the bleed options that I needed.

I am about to purchase a full version of Adobe 7 so I will try this
myself once I have it.

Thanks for all your help... and patience.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...

Chris,

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. Your problem may be unrelated to
Publisher. If you are using Acrobat to create the pdf file, it gives
you different options. One of those is what version of PDF to save -
you might be creating the pdf file using PDF 1.4 while the best his
equipment can handle is 1.3. If you are using Acrobat, ask your printer
if he has a JobOptions file he can share with you. This will have the
settings he prefers.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:

He doesn't know Publisher. He is trying to help us but wouldn't be
using Publisher by choice - so I am attempting to get as much
information for him as I can.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
.. .


Chris,

You should ask HIM, not us. Some older RIPs might have trouble with
the latest versions of Acrobat. Saving as PDF 1.3 or 1.2 might help.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:


We are having a colour problem with the printer we are sending the
Publisher files to. He thinks it's because his version of PDF
software is not compatible with Publisher - it keeps crashing.

What is the best PDF software (version) to get to work with
Publisher?

Many thanks









  #22  
Old September 11th, 2005, 12:21 PM
Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]
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ChrisB wrote:
OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif
Page Plus welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our
magazine.


While Mike is correct about Serif PagePlus and it's PDF abilities (he's a
veteran of PagePlus), the only problem is flexibility and a new learning
curve. Their PDF is proprietary, meaning it's built (hard coded into the
File menu, not as a printer driver). You will not be able to use it's PDF
making ability with any other program, such as Microsoft Office, Microsoft
Publisher, Internet Explorer, etc. You can use Adobe Acrobat 7 with ANY
application (including Serif PagePlus.) So now you are limited to only one
program to create a PDF. Secondly, you will have to learn a new program and
you will find that there are substantially less printers out there that are
even aware of the Serif product.

In my opinion, if you did NOT have Publisher already, and you didn't need
PDF making abilities for any other program and you had to choose between the
two apps for the first time, I would have chosen Serif Page Plus 10.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.



  #23  
Old September 11th, 2005, 04:48 PM
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
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Did you set Pub for CMYK when you created the document?


"ChrisB" wrote in message
...
It's currently an issue with the colours - RGB vs CMYK. He did the proofs
for us but the colours were not perfect so we need to sort out where the
problem lies which I am sure has something to do with the way it was
converted to pdf
"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote in message
...
If you give a printer a good pdf he shouldn't care much how it got
created. I've never had problem handing printers my pdfs...previously had
been giving them EPS and for me (not a printer) that was a moderate pain
sometimes.


"ChrisB" wrote in message
...
OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif Page
Plus welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our magazine.

Thanks
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
Chris,

Before you buy Acrobat, you might want to take a look at Serif Page
Plus. It's similar to Pub, as far as the tools go, but it can create
industry standard PDF/X1-a pdf files. It might save you several dollars
and make your life easier.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:
Oh I see... well actually HE was the one having the problem! I sent
him the Publisher file but he was unable to save it to a PDF himself.
However, having done some research on the Microsoft site, it appears
that we might need to use a different method - i.e. saving it as a ps
file first being one option and another option was mentioned too.

He was doing it for me because I only had a 'free' version of pdf
software which didn't give me the bleed options that I needed.

I am about to purchase a full version of Adobe 7 so I will try this
myself once I have it.

Thanks for all your help... and patience.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...

Chris,

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. Your problem may be unrelated to
Publisher. If you are using Acrobat to create the pdf file, it gives
you different options. One of those is what version of PDF to save -
you might be creating the pdf file using PDF 1.4 while the best his
equipment can handle is 1.3. If you are using Acrobat, ask your
printer if he has a JobOptions file he can share with you. This will
have the settings he prefers.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:

He doesn't know Publisher. He is trying to help us but wouldn't be
using Publisher by choice - so I am attempting to get as much
information for him as I can.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
. ..


Chris,

You should ask HIM, not us. Some older RIPs might have trouble with
the latest versions of Acrobat. Saving as PDF 1.3 or 1.2 might help.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:


We are having a colour problem with the printer we are sending the
Publisher files to. He thinks it's because his version of PDF
software is not compatible with Publisher - it keeps crashing.

What is the best PDF software (version) to get to work with
Publisher?

Many thanks











  #24  
Old September 11th, 2005, 05:14 PM
ChrisB
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Default Publisher and PDF

Yes I did
"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote in message
...
Did you set Pub for CMYK when you created the document?


"ChrisB" wrote in message
...
It's currently an issue with the colours - RGB vs CMYK. He did the
proofs for us but the colours were not perfect so we need to sort out
where the problem lies which I am sure has something to do with the way
it was converted to pdf
"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote in message
...
If you give a printer a good pdf he shouldn't care much how it got
created. I've never had problem handing printers my pdfs...previously
had been giving them EPS and for me (not a printer) that was a moderate
pain sometimes.


"ChrisB" wrote in message
...
OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif Page
Plus welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our magazine.

Thanks
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
Chris,

Before you buy Acrobat, you might want to take a look at Serif Page
Plus. It's similar to Pub, as far as the tools go, but it can create
industry standard PDF/X1-a pdf files. It might save you several
dollars and make your life easier.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:
Oh I see... well actually HE was the one having the problem! I sent
him the Publisher file but he was unable to save it to a PDF himself.
However, having done some research on the Microsoft site, it appears
that we might need to use a different method - i.e. saving it as a ps
file first being one option and another option was mentioned too.

He was doing it for me because I only had a 'free' version of pdf
software which didn't give me the bleed options that I needed.

I am about to purchase a full version of Adobe 7 so I will try this
myself once I have it.

Thanks for all your help... and patience.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...

Chris,

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. Your problem may be unrelated to
Publisher. If you are using Acrobat to create the pdf file, it gives
you different options. One of those is what version of PDF to save -
you might be creating the pdf file using PDF 1.4 while the best his
equipment can handle is 1.3. If you are using Acrobat, ask your
printer if he has a JobOptions file he can share with you. This will
have the settings he prefers.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:

He doesn't know Publisher. He is trying to help us but wouldn't be
using Publisher by choice - so I am attempting to get as much
information for him as I can.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...


Chris,

You should ask HIM, not us. Some older RIPs might have trouble with
the latest versions of Acrobat. Saving as PDF 1.3 or 1.2 might
help.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:


We are having a colour problem with the printer we are sending the
Publisher files to. He thinks it's because his version of PDF
software is not compatible with Publisher - it keeps crashing.

What is the best PDF software (version) to get to work with
Publisher?

Many thanks













  #25  
Old September 11th, 2005, 05:16 PM
ChrisB
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Default Publisher and PDF

Thanks for the additional information - I really appreciate everyone's help.
Having got this far down the line, we would obviously like to get the
Publisher to do what we want and i will have a go at sorting out the colour
issues.

Many thanks
"Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" wrote in message
...
ChrisB wrote:
OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif
Page Plus welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our
magazine.


While Mike is correct about Serif PagePlus and it's PDF abilities (he's a
veteran of PagePlus), the only problem is flexibility and a new learning
curve. Their PDF is proprietary, meaning it's built (hard coded into the
File menu, not as a printer driver). You will not be able to use it's PDF
making ability with any other program, such as Microsoft Office, Microsoft
Publisher, Internet Explorer, etc. You can use Adobe Acrobat 7 with ANY
application (including Serif PagePlus.) So now you are limited to only one
program to create a PDF. Secondly, you will have to learn a new program
and you will find that there are substantially less printers out there
that are even aware of the Serif product.

In my opinion, if you did NOT have Publisher already, and you didn't need
PDF making abilities for any other program and you had to choose between
the two apps for the first time, I would have chosen Serif Page Plus 10.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.





  #26  
Old September 12th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Mike Koewler
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Default Publisher and PDF

Chris,

AFAIK, in the US, hardly any printers have even heard of PagePlus. But
they have heard of .pdf files! All you need to do is to select Publish
as PDF, select PDF/X1-a, and your files will be output according to the
latest industry standards.

As Brian says, I'm a PP user (though I also have Pub and Quark on the
computer and have done files in both), so I'm likely biased. But, I know
a couple of people who use it to produce a weekly newspaper (I'm one of
them), others do a weekly or monthly magazine, others have done books (I
also did a book).

One nice thing - Serif offers a 30-day, no questions asked, money back
guarantee. You could always try it.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:

OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif Page Plus
welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our magazine.

Thanks
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...

Chris,

Before you buy Acrobat, you might want to take a look at Serif Page Plus.
It's similar to Pub, as far as the tools go, but it can create industry
standard PDF/X1-a pdf files. It might save you several dollars and make
your life easier.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:

Oh I see... well actually HE was the one having the problem! I sent him
the Publisher file but he was unable to save it to a PDF himself.
However, having done some research on the Microsoft site, it appears that
we might need to use a different method - i.e. saving it as a ps file
first being one option and another option was mentioned too.

He was doing it for me because I only had a 'free' version of pdf
software which didn't give me the bleed options that I needed.

I am about to purchase a full version of Adobe 7 so I will try this
myself once I have it.

Thanks for all your help... and patience.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
.. .


Chris,

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. Your problem may be unrelated to
Publisher. If you are using Acrobat to create the pdf file, it gives you
different options. One of those is what version of PDF to save - you
might be creating the pdf file using PDF 1.4 while the best his equipment
can handle is 1.3. If you are using Acrobat, ask your printer if he has a
JobOptions file he can share with you. This will have the settings he
prefers.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:


He doesn't know Publisher. He is trying to help us but wouldn't be
using Publisher by choice - so I am attempting to get as much
information for him as I can.
"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
. ..



Chris,

You should ask HIM, not us. Some older RIPs might have trouble with the
latest versions of Acrobat. Saving as PDF 1.3 or 1.2 might help.

Mike

ChrisB wrote:



We are having a colour problem with the printer we are sending the
Publisher files to. He thinks it's because his version of PDF
software is not compatible with Publisher - it keeps crashing.

What is the best PDF software (version) to get to work with Publisher?

Many thanks




  #27  
Old September 12th, 2005, 02:04 AM
Rob Giordano \(Crash\)
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Isn't freeserif from the same momma?
It's pretty dang good for a freebie...and you get regular emails from
Natasha :-)



"Mike Koewler" wrote in message
...
| Chris,
|
| AFAIK, in the US, hardly any printers have even heard of PagePlus. But
| they have heard of .pdf files! All you need to do is to select Publish
| as PDF, select PDF/X1-a, and your files will be output according to the
| latest industry standards.
|
| As Brian says, I'm a PP user (though I also have Pub and Quark on the
| computer and have done files in both), so I'm likely biased. But, I know
| a couple of people who use it to produce a weekly newspaper (I'm one of
| them), others do a weekly or monthly magazine, others have done books (I
| also did a book).
|
| One nice thing - Serif offers a 30-day, no questions asked, money back
| guarantee. You could always try it.
|
| Mike
|
| ChrisB wrote:
|
| OK that's interesting. The biggest problem with Publisher is the
| professional printers are not that keen on using it(!). Is Serif Page
Plus
| welcomed? We need to get high quality prints out of our magazine.
|
| Thanks
| "Mike Koewler" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Chris,
|
| Before you buy Acrobat, you might want to take a look at Serif Page
Plus.
| It's similar to Pub, as far as the tools go, but it can create industry
| standard PDF/X1-a pdf files. It might save you several dollars and make
| your life easier.
|
| Mike
|
| ChrisB wrote:
|
| Oh I see... well actually HE was the one having the problem! I sent
him
| the Publisher file but he was unable to save it to a PDF himself.
| However, having done some research on the Microsoft site, it appears
that
| we might need to use a different method - i.e. saving it as a ps file
| first being one option and another option was mentioned too.
|
| He was doing it for me because I only had a 'free' version of pdf
| software which didn't give me the bleed options that I needed.
|
| I am about to purchase a full version of Adobe 7 so I will try this
| myself once I have it.
|
| Thanks for all your help... and patience.
| "Mike Koewler" wrote in message
| .. .
|
|
| Chris,
|
| Sorry, I did not make myself clear. Your problem may be unrelated to
| Publisher. If you are using Acrobat to create the pdf file, it gives
you
| different options. One of those is what version of PDF to save - you
| might be creating the pdf file using PDF 1.4 while the best his
equipment
| can handle is 1.3. If you are using Acrobat, ask your printer if he
has a
| JobOptions file he can share with you. This will have the settings he
| prefers.
|
| Mike
|
| ChrisB wrote:
|
|
| He doesn't know Publisher. He is trying to help us but wouldn't be
| using Publisher by choice - so I am attempting to get as much
| information for him as I can.
| "Mike Koewler" wrote in message
| . ..
|
|
|
| Chris,
|
| You should ask HIM, not us. Some older RIPs might have trouble with
the
| latest versions of Acrobat. Saving as PDF 1.3 or 1.2 might help.
|
| Mike
|
| ChrisB wrote:
|
|
|
| We are having a colour problem with the printer we are sending the
| Publisher files to. He thinks it's because his version of PDF
| software is not compatible with Publisher - it keeps crashing.
|
| What is the best PDF software (version) to get to work with
Publisher?
|
| Many thanks
|
|
|
|


  #28  
Old September 12th, 2005, 10:45 AM
Ed Bennett
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Default Publisher and PDF

Mike Koewler was very recently heard to utter:
AFAIK, in the US, hardly any printers have even heard of PagePlus. But
they have heard of .pdf files! All you need to do is to select Publish
as PDF, select PDF/X1-a, and your files will be output according to
the latest industry standards.


A little OT - is PDF/X1-a backwards compatible? I mean, if it's the latest
industry standard, then is it likely to be supported by anyone apart from
the most up-to-date printers?

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher


  #29  
Old September 12th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Mike Koewler
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Default Publisher and PDF

Ed,

X1-a is a set of standards regarding the pdf. It has to be CMYK, all
fonts have to be embedded and images have to be at least 175 dpi (though
it will produce a pdf if a lower res image is used). It may also include
no use of OPI, though I'm not certain about this. Basically, it's a set
of job options and creates an Acrobat 4.0 (pdf 1.3) which any printer
should be able to handle. Some printers, such as national magazines may
add to the requirements, such as not allowing jpg images.

Mike
Ed Bennett wrote:
Mike Koewler was very recently heard to utter:

AFAIK, in the US, hardly any printers have even heard of PagePlus. But
they have heard of .pdf files! All you need to do is to select Publish
as PDF, select PDF/X1-a, and your files will be output according to
the latest industry standards.



A little OT - is PDF/X1-a backwards compatible? I mean, if it's the latest
industry standard, then is it likely to be supported by anyone apart from
the most up-to-date printers?

  #30  
Old September 12th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Ed Bennett
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Posts: n/a
Default Publisher and PDF

Mike Koewler was very recently heard to utter:
Basically, it's a set of job options and creates an Acrobat 4.0 (pdf
1.3) which any printer should be able to handle.


Thanks, Mike!

--
Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher


 




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