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May 16th, 2004, 05:36 PM
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My endnotes are a mess
Hello,
I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help. 
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May 16th, 2004, 10:38 PM
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My endnotes are a mess
Depending on version, it *is* possible to put endnotes somewhere other than
at the end. In all versions, it is possible to get rid of the separator line (in Normal view, go to View | Endnotes, select first Endnote Separator and then Endnote Continuation Separator and delete them (you may also want to format the paragraph to 1 pt font size and paragraph line spacing). The problem with the TOC not picking up the headings is a known one; I consider it a miracle that you can put headings in the endnotes at all considering that they're basically a single large field (I suspect if you updated it, they would vanish). You might try putting a StyleRef field in the header of the Endnotes section to pick up the Heading 2, but I'm not hopeful about that working, either. On the positive side, we have learned from the Word development team that "long documents" are the focus of development for the next version of Word, so perhaps some of these problems will be worked out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Hello, I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help.
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May 16th, 2004, 11:41 PM
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My endnotes are a mess
Many thanks, Susan.
I had figured out how to get rid of the dashed line that is in front of the endnotes, but never thought to make the font size 1pt. That is great! Also tried adding bookmarks for the "Chapter 1 Endnotes" and subsequent entries, and then referncing them them in a page header just for that section. Very surprising that scheme works. Of course I will have to manually readjust them when the book is complete, but that is an acceptable solution. Again, thanks for your help! Jim K. -----Original Message----- Depending on version, it *is* possible to put endnotes somewhere other than at the end. In all versions, it is possible to get rid of the separator line (in Normal view, go to View | Endnotes, select first Endnote Separator and then Endnote Continuation Separator and delete them (you may also want to format the paragraph to 1 pt font size and paragraph line spacing). The problem with the TOC not picking up the headings is a known one; I consider it a miracle that you can put headings in the endnotes at all considering that they're basically a single large field (I suspect if you updated it, they would vanish). You might try putting a StyleRef field in the header of the Endnotes section to pick up the Heading 2, but I'm not hopeful about that working, either. On the positive side, we have learned from the Word development team that "long documents" are the focus of development for the next version of Word, so perhaps some of these problems will be worked out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Hello, I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help. .
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May 17th, 2004, 01:29 AM
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My endnotes are a mess
I think you'll find that StyleRef (if it works), is a lot easier.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Many thanks, Susan. I had figured out how to get rid of the dashed line that is in front of the endnotes, but never thought to make the font size 1pt. That is great! Also tried adding bookmarks for the "Chapter 1 Endnotes" and subsequent entries, and then referncing them them in a page header just for that section. Very surprising that scheme works. Of course I will have to manually readjust them when the book is complete, but that is an acceptable solution. Again, thanks for your help! Jim K. -----Original Message----- Depending on version, it *is* possible to put endnotes somewhere other than at the end. In all versions, it is possible to get rid of the separator line (in Normal view, go to View | Endnotes, select first Endnote Separator and then Endnote Continuation Separator and delete them (you may also want to format the paragraph to 1 pt font size and paragraph line spacing). The problem with the TOC not picking up the headings is a known one; I consider it a miracle that you can put headings in the endnotes at all considering that they're basically a single large field (I suspect if you updated it, they would vanish). You might try putting a StyleRef field in the header of the Endnotes section to pick up the Heading 2, but I'm not hopeful about that working, either. On the positive side, we have learned from the Word development team that "long documents" are the focus of development for the next version of Word, so perhaps some of these problems will be worked out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Hello, I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help. .
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#5
May 17th, 2004, 04:31 AM
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My endnotes are a mess
Jim, for Word 2000, you need to use a macro to set the endnotes to "end of
section" and then suppress them for every section but the last chapter (later versions let you do this via the dialogs). I've posted it below. I tested StyleRef a while back and it did not work. I didn't think to complain about it because endnotes *are* one large field and I didn't think it would be feasible to change, so I don't know if that will be a coming improvement. Am very happy to hear that inserting manual bookmarks (only one per chapter!  works.Dayo Appendix after Endnotes Macro This macro will set endnotes to end of section and suppress endnotes for all sections but the next-to-last section. If you want the endnotes to appear in front of the last section, you can use this macro with no changes. Sub AppendixAfterEndnotes() ' ' sets endnote location to end of section: With ActiveDocument.Endnotes .Location = wdEndOfSection End With ' sets all sections to have endnotes suppressed: ActiveDocument.Sections.PageSetup.SuppressEndnotes = True ' tells Word not to suppress endnotes for the next to last (³numSections-1²) section: Dim numSections numSections=ActiveDocument.Sections.Count If numSections 1 then ActiveDocument.Sections(numSections-1).PageSetup.SuppressEndnotes = False End if End Sub If you perhaps have several sections (e.g. an index AND a bibliography) after the notes, you will need to modify the code slightly. If you want the endnotes to appear in front of two or three sections, then you may need to change the code to read ³(numSections-2)² or ³(numSections-3)², respectively. See these links for more information about macros: What do I do with macros sent to me by other newsgroup readers to help me out? I don't know how to install them and put them to use http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/MacrosVBA/CreateAMacro.htm Idiots Guide to Installing Macros http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm DM "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you'll find that StyleRef (if it works), is a lot easier. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Many thanks, Susan. I had figured out how to get rid of the dashed line that is in front of the endnotes, but never thought to make the font size 1pt. That is great! Also tried adding bookmarks for the "Chapter 1 Endnotes" and subsequent entries, and then referncing them them in a page header just for that section. Very surprising that scheme works. Of course I will have to manually readjust them when the book is complete, but that is an acceptable solution. Again, thanks for your help! Jim K. -----Original Message----- Depending on version, it *is* possible to put endnotes somewhere other than at the end. In all versions, it is possible to get rid of the separator line (in Normal view, go to View | Endnotes, select first Endnote Separator and then Endnote Continuation Separator and delete them (you may also want to format the paragraph to 1 pt font size and paragraph line spacing). The problem with the TOC not picking up the headings is a known one; I consider it a miracle that you can put headings in the endnotes at all considering that they're basically a single large field (I suspect if you updated it, they would vanish). You might try putting a StyleRef field in the header of the Endnotes section to pick up the Heading 2, but I'm not hopeful about that working, either. On the positive side, we have learned from the Word development team that "long documents" are the focus of development for the next version of Word, so perhaps some of these problems will be worked out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Hello, I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help. .
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#6
May 17th, 2004, 04:43 AM
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My endnotes are a mess
Whoops! I missed his reference to Word 2000.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Dayo Mitchell" wrote in message news:BCCDAA5C.2CE12%dayomitchell_1997@NOhotmailSPA M.com.invalid... Jim, for Word 2000, you need to use a macro to set the endnotes to "end of section" and then suppress them for every section but the last chapter (later versions let you do this via the dialogs). I've posted it below. I tested StyleRef a while back and it did not work. I didn't think to complain about it because endnotes *are* one large field and I didn't think it would be feasible to change, so I don't know if that will be a coming improvement. Am very happy to hear that inserting manual bookmarks (only one per chapter! works.Dayo Appendix after Endnotes Macro This macro will set endnotes to end of section and suppress endnotes for all sections but the next-to-last section. If you want the endnotes to appear in front of the last section, you can use this macro with no changes. Sub AppendixAfterEndnotes() ' ' sets endnote location to end of section: With ActiveDocument.Endnotes .Location = wdEndOfSection End With ' sets all sections to have endnotes suppressed: ActiveDocument.Sections.PageSetup.SuppressEndnotes = True ' tells Word not to suppress endnotes for the next to last (³numSections-1²) section: Dim numSections numSections=ActiveDocument.Sections.Count If numSections 1 then ActiveDocument.Sections(numSections-1).PageSetup.SuppressEndnotes = False End if End Sub If you perhaps have several sections (e.g. an index AND a bibliography) after the notes, you will need to modify the code slightly. If you want the endnotes to appear in front of two or three sections, then you may need to change the code to read ³(numSections-2)² or ³(numSections-3)², respectively. See these links for more information about macros: What do I do with macros sent to me by other newsgroup readers to help me out? I don't know how to install them and put them to use http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/MacrosVBA/CreateAMacro.htm Idiots Guide to Installing Macros http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm DM "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you'll find that StyleRef (if it works), is a lot easier. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Many thanks, Susan. I had figured out how to get rid of the dashed line that is in front of the endnotes, but never thought to make the font size 1pt. That is great! Also tried adding bookmarks for the "Chapter 1 Endnotes" and subsequent entries, and then referncing them them in a page header just for that section. Very surprising that scheme works. Of course I will have to manually readjust them when the book is complete, but that is an acceptable solution. Again, thanks for your help! Jim K. -----Original Message----- Depending on version, it *is* possible to put endnotes somewhere other than at the end. In all versions, it is possible to get rid of the separator line (in Normal view, go to View | Endnotes, select first Endnote Separator and then Endnote Continuation Separator and delete them (you may also want to format the paragraph to 1 pt font size and paragraph line spacing). The problem with the TOC not picking up the headings is a known one; I consider it a miracle that you can put headings in the endnotes at all considering that they're basically a single large field (I suspect if you updated it, they would vanish). You might try putting a StyleRef field in the header of the Endnotes section to pick up the Heading 2, but I'm not hopeful about that working, either. On the positive side, we have learned from the Word development team that "long documents" are the focus of development for the next version of Word, so perhaps some of these problems will be worked out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jim K." wrote in message ... Hello, I am using Word 2000 and I have already figured out that I cannot put a bibliography (or anything else) after collecting all my endnotes at the end of a document. Assuming that I am willing to put the Bibliography and Index before the endnotes (really not an acceptable solution to most printers), I still have many problems. How does one in the endnotes do something like: Endnotes Chapter 1 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 1 2. Text for second endnote in chapter 1 Chapter 2 Endnotes 1. Text for first endnote in chapter 2 2. ... 3. ... and so on. "Endnotes" is a Heading 1 style, and "Chapter x Endnotes" are Heading 2 styles. First, how does one get rid of the silly little line that immediately preceeds the first endnote? In the picture above it follows the line "Chapter 1 Endnotes" The next problem was getting in the "Chapter 2 Endnotes" line. For the last endnote in Chapter 1 I put in a ret to end the paragraph, typed in "Chapter 2 Endnotes" and change the style of that text to Heading 2. However when one builds the TOC, the Heading 2 style embedded in the endnotes is not found. My document is 24 chapters, 4 appendices, and there are about 400 endnotes and since there is no way to get running headers on each page of endnotes, I wanted to at least put the beginning page of each chapter's endnotes in the TOC. Thanks for your help. .
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