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  #11  
Old February 3rd, 2007, 03:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

Side note:

Since your son sees the same thing on his Mac in Word X, one wonders
whether there may not be a set-up problem, as well as a Word 2007 bug.

Different Approach:

Since you have access to a Mac, and your printers accept PDFs, then the
booklet creating programs for OS X might be of use to you. Basically,
you print a regular Word document to PDF, and then the booklet program
takes the PDF, shrinks the pages, reshuffles the pages as necessary,
etc, dividing a single complex process into two simpler steps. I think
CheapImpostor even automatically does signatures for longer books. For
more information and links to the possible programs, see he
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html
It's not recently updated, but it will put you on the right path if this
method sounds less troublesome than what you are currently doing.

I believe Word 2007 now prints to PDF? (although you might have to
download something from MS. Then send just the PDF to your son's Mac and
never launch MacWord at all) With mass-market PDF creation, perhaps
there are/will be similar programs on the Windows side--even though
WinWord has BookFold and MacWord doesn't, I get the impression that
BookFold is not entirely reliable, so developers may see a gap in the
market. There may already be an Acrobat extension out there to
reshuffle PDF pages, perhaps.

PS. I'm having a very hard time wrapping my head around how you are
going to publish a book where the master copy was printed 2 pages per
sheet. All I can picture is some big paper cutters and some laborious
reshuffling, and that seems unrealistic.

I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am
a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays
it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still
lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac.
I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will
accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how
well I remember it !

In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of
my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 )

Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// )

  #12  
Old February 3rd, 2007, 05:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they
request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the
imposition in-house.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"Mason C" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:53:44 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"


wrote:

Jay has confirmed the bug (something I cannot do since I don't have Word
2007 installed); as I said, it has been reported previously. FWIW, if

you're
preparing a *booklet," see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...etPrinting.htm. The technique

for
Word 97 will, I suspect still work in Word 2007 (albeit admittedly more
work).

If you're preparing a *book* (for self-publishing), then the printer will
almost certainly want each page on a separate sheet (even if they're
half-sheet sized). If you're preparing a *manuscript* (to be sent to a
publisher), then layout is not your responsibility.


I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am
a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays
it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still
lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac.
I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will
accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how
well I remember it !

In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of
my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 )

Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about

http:// )

  #13  
Old February 3rd, 2007, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Mason C
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:40:48 -0800, Daiya Mitchell
wrote:

Side note:

Since your son sees the same thing on his Mac in Word X, one wonders
whether there may not be a set-up problem, as well as a Word 2007 bug.

Different Approach:

Since you have access to a Mac, and your printers accept PDFs, then the
booklet creating programs for OS X might be of use to you. Basically,
you print a regular Word document to PDF, and then the booklet program
takes the PDF, shrinks the pages, reshuffles the pages as necessary,
etc, dividing a single complex process into two simpler steps. I think
CheapImpostor even automatically does signatures for longer books. For
more information and links to the possible programs, see he
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html
It's not recently updated, but it will put you on the right path if this
method sounds less troublesome than what you are currently doing.

I believe Word 2007 now prints to PDF? (although you might have to
download something from MS. Then send just the PDF to your son's Mac and
never launch MacWord at all) With mass-market PDF creation, perhaps
there are/will be similar programs on the Windows side--even though
WinWord has BookFold and MacWord doesn't, I get the impression that
BookFold is not entirely reliable, so developers may see a gap in the
market. There may already be an Acrobat extension out there to
reshuffle PDF pages, perhaps.

PS. I'm having a very hard time wrapping my head around how you are
going to publish a book where the master copy was printed 2 pages per
sheet. All I can picture is some big paper cutters and some laborious
reshuffling, and that seems unrealistic.


I infer a good suggestion: another book, booklet really. I should
publish an expensive booklet on how to create a book ( publishing
is another matter.) I don't have time to do that now. Watch for it here
early next summer -- or on my web site.

Thanks for the comments and help.

Mason C signing off.

I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am
a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays
it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still
lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac.
I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will
accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how
well I remember it !

In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of
my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 )

Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// )


  #14  
Old February 4th, 2007, 02:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Mason C
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:46:53 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they
request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the
imposition in-house.


Well, we'll get there eventually.... I'm just trying to get out the door here.

I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing
and the growing book is very motivating.

The one-page-per-sheet can easily be achieved, I'm sure. Word 2007 can
do anything, even crash.

Book example, recently pdf'd:

http://masonc.home.netcom.com/quimby/quimby.pdf

I've taken this book out of print but it sells (Ebay, Amazon etc.) for a good
price. (The original was done camera-ready pre-computer.)

Yes, yes, I know, it's not a 2 page per sheet original. Bye bye.

Now, Suzzane, get up to date: buy Word 2007 and have fun :-)

Mason C
  #15  
Old February 4th, 2007, 03:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Bob Buckland ?:-\)
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

Hi Mason,

MS Office products have a 45 day return policy in the U.S.
it varies in other areas:
http://microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.asp
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Thank you very much. It is a relief to me to know that
I'm not nuts or stupid. Now I have a $150+tax thing that
is useless to me. Can I return it?

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  #16  
Old February 4th, 2007, 04:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

I had actually already downloaded the Quimby book, noticing that it was one
page per sheet. Very similar to what I send to the printer, except that (a)
I center the pages and (b) I include crop marks.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Mason C" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:46:53 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"


wrote:

I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers,

they
request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the
imposition in-house.


Well, we'll get there eventually.... I'm just trying to get out the door

here.

I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and

other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by

folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting

or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge

the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to

designing
and the growing book is very motivating.

The one-page-per-sheet can easily be achieved, I'm sure. Word 2007 can
do anything, even crash.

Book example, recently pdf'd:

http://masonc.home.netcom.com/quimby/quimby.pdf

I've taken this book out of print but it sells (Ebay, Amazon etc.) for a

good
price. (The original was done camera-ready pre-computer.)

Yes, yes, I know, it's not a 2 page per sheet original. Bye bye.

Now, Suzzane, get up to date: buy Word 2007 and have fun :-)

Mason C


  #17  
Old February 4th, 2007, 09:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

Mason C wrote:
I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing
and the growing book is very motivating.

You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand
interesting:
http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html

By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he
http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx
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Old February 4th, 2007, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Mason C
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:32:46 -0800, Daiya Mitchell
wrote:

Mason C wrote:
I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing
and the growing book is very motivating.

You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand
interesting:
http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html

By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he
http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx


Good links. Thanks "CheapImpositor." No thanks, Microsoft.

Thanks, Daiya, for the links. And thanks, Suzanne, for the thought about
having separate pages, not two on a sheet. I'll go to single pages and
also maybe avoid the MS bug. Oddly though, I notice that Morris Publishing
(a printer) includes a side-by-side template ---- wonder how they impose.
They give greatly detailed instructions: http://morrispublishing.com

Mason C

  #19  
Old February 5th, 2007, 01:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

I have to agree with Mason that this short course in bookbinding is worth
the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
...
Mason C wrote:
I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and

other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by

folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting

or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the

edge the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to

designing
and the growing book is very motivating.

You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand
interesting:
http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html

By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he
http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx


  #20  
Old February 5th, 2007, 05:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.pagelayout
Mason C
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Default Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:47:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

I have to agree with Mason that this short course in bookbinding is worth
the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too.


Yeah. Except. It's .gz -- looks like unix. I got it and decompressed
it but the result has no extension and does nothing on my pc.
Maybe someone knows more.

Mason C
 




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