PAGEREF \p Switch in DE, SV, SK, and PL

Now I have seen it too... finally. :-(

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Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Bear" (nospam) wrote in message
...
Stefan:

It evaluates to "on page 99" when the target is on a different page than
the
x-ref. Please try it by editing a PAGEREF field in ANY version of Word.

Bear

Lene:

Thanks so much for your input. The larger question then becomes: would you
consider the German "correct?" or is this a field usage I should avoid for
multilingual works?

The suggestions Peter made are great, but increase the level of complexity
of the field use, which I'm hesitant to do at this point. (Both my authors
and my translation vendor are concerned).

My best solution for the time being is to leave the field as-is in our
English masters, then pre-process a copy for translation purposes where the
field is reverted to NOT having the \p switch, and the result text "above"
"below" and "on page" is made dead text.

So the x-refs evaluate and update in the English, then get frozen for
translation, except for the page numbers.

Thanks again.

Bear

--
Windows XP, Word 2000

Peter:

Thanks for your good ideas. More complex than I'd like for now, but rest
assurred they are now in my Swipe file. Please see my reply to Lene as well.
If you'd like to weigh in on the issue of whether or not the GE result of the
field is "correct" or whether the \p switch is useable at all for
multilingual products, please do so!

Bear

Actually, I have never used the \p switch with PAGEREF fields myself. But I
have made tons of PAGEREF fields without the \p switch in documents - incl.
huge amounts of documents that were to be translated into one or more other
languages.

My German is quite “rusty� but I also think “auf� should be included.

I think I would prefer not using the \p switch in multilingual works.
Peter’s suggestions are interesting but I would be afraid that users could
too easily destroy the more complex field constructions. The solution you
suggest could be problematic or at least cause inconsistent results. In
running text, pages will break in different places in different language
versions. For example, the German version of a text will, in general, be
longer than the English version. This could result in “unten� or “oben� being
used in situations where the cross-referenced item was no longer found on the
same page - or “auf Seite� could end on the same page as the cross-referenced
item. “Unten� and “oben� would not be incorrect (as Stefan said - it is still
below or above). However, the use of “auf Seite�, “unten� and “oben� would
not be consistent anymore.

If you prefer to use the \p switch in the English version, you could use a
macro to remove the switch and insert the appropriate string in front of the
field.

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Regards
Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Bear" wrote:

Lene:

Thanks so much for your input. The larger question then becomes: would you
consider the German "correct?" or is this a field usage I should avoid for
multilingual works?

The suggestions Peter made are great, but increase the level of complexity
of the field use, which I'm hesitant to do at this point. (Both my authors
and my translation vendor are concerned).

My best solution for the time being is to leave the field as-is in our
English masters, then pre-process a copy for translation purposes where the
field is reverted to NOT having the \p switch, and the result text "above"
"below" and "on page" is made dead text.

So the x-refs evaluate and update in the English, then get frozen for
translation, except for the page numbers.

Thanks again.

Bear

--
Windows XP, Word 2000

Sorry, my German was never that strong, and I know practically nothing
about the other three languages.

Peter Jamieson

http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk

Bear wrote:
Peter:

Thanks for your good ideas. More complex than I'd like for now, but rest
assurred they are now in my Swipe file. Please see my reply to Lene as well.
If you'd like to weigh in on the issue of whether or not the GE result of the
field is "correct" or whether the \p switch is useable at all for
multilingual products, please do so!

Bear

Don't feel bad, Stefan. It is only recently that I also learned this, by
reading about it in these NGs. I never dreamed the switch would do anything
beyond "above" and "below," as, like you, I don't interpret those words as
applying strictly to the current page.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Now I have seen it too... finally. :-(

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Bear" (nospam) wrote in message
...
Stefan:

It evaluates to "on page 99" when the target is on a different page than
the
x-ref. Please try it by editing a PAGEREF field in ANY version of Word.

Bear

Indeed, an item on a previous page is obviously still "above" and an item on
a following page is "below." If you wanted to reference the page number, you
wouldn't use the "Above/below" option in the first place...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Don't feel bad, Stefan. It is only recently that I also learned this, by
reading about it in these NGs. I never dreamed the switch would do
anything beyond "above" and "below," as, like you, I don't interpret those
words as applying strictly to the current page.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Now I have seen it too... finally. :-(

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Bear" (nospam) wrote in message
...
Stefan:

It evaluates to "on page 99" when the target is on a different page than
the
x-ref. Please try it by editing a PAGEREF field in ANY version of Word.

Bear

Well, if you wanted to use a page number, but only if the reference was not
on the same page (in which case I might argue that the Xref is unneeded
anyway; a plain-text "above" or "below" would probably do), then I guess
this format would fill the bill, but not if it's going to be as
problematical as it seems to be.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, an item on a previous page is obviously still "above" and an item
on a following page is "below." If you wanted to reference the page
number, you wouldn't use the "Above/below" option in the first place...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Don't feel bad, Stefan. It is only recently that I also learned this, by
reading about it in these NGs. I never dreamed the switch would do
anything beyond "above" and "below," as, like you, I don't interpret
those
words as applying strictly to the current page.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Now I have seen it too... finally. :-(

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Bear" (nospam) wrote in message
...
Stefan:

It evaluates to "on page 99" when the target is on a different page
than
the
x-ref. Please try it by editing a PAGEREF field in ANY version of Word.

Bear