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Cannot access read-only documents.
I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily
that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Tom,
SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Earl:
Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Tom,
As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Earl:
What about my original access problem? Is it possible that we can discuss a solution to my problem via phone? If a charge is required, I would gladely pay just to get my system working properly. HELP!!!!!!! Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Earl:
I cleared my Window/Temp folder but still no luck with the excel files. Please don't give up on me. Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Did you reboot your pc?
If yes and you still can't access it, how about using windows explorer and copying to a new name and opening that copy? If the file is on a network drive, can you ask your IT folks to reboot that server? tomgillane wrote: Earl: I cleared my Window/Temp folder but still no luck with the excel files. Please don't give up on me. Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help -- Dave Peterson |
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Tom,
We can talk. See www.smokeylake.com/excel. You can send me the files, if you want, and I'll take a quick look and see if they'll open here. Decode the email address below (it's encoded to hide it from spambots), or use the one at my web site. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: What about my original access problem? Is it possible that we can discuss a solution to my problem via phone? If a charge is required, I would gladely pay just to get my system working properly. HELP!!!!!!! Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help |
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Dave:
Yes, I rebooted after empting the Window/Temp folder. No the file nor the computer is on a network. This is a desktop personal home PC. I created another folder and moved the 3 problem files into the new folder; it still had the same "cannot access ready-only document" problem. I tried coping the files into another folder and it would not allow me to copy the files into the new folder. But I can move the 3 files to another folder, but I still cannot access them. When I tried to copy the files in the new folder I got the following: "Cannot copy file name: Access is denied. The source file may be in use." When the 3 problem files went bad, why would these 3 files be the only 3 of the many without an author, and having only the General Tab in the Properties display? This seems to be the major difference between the operating files and the 3 non-operating files. Just a little history on 2 of the 3 problem files. 2 of the problem files were the only files modified on 01-30-05. On that day we had ice storms that caused multiple outages. My battery backup failed each time the power went out causing the computer to have an abnormal shut down. The 3rd problem file was modified 3 days later; but no abnormal shut downs. Go figure??????? Tom "Dave Peterson" wrote: Did you reboot your pc? If yes and you still can't access it, how about using windows explorer and copying to a new name and opening that copy? If the file is on a network drive, can you ask your IT folks to reboot that server? tomgillane wrote: Earl: I cleared my Window/Temp folder but still no luck with the excel files. Please don't give up on me. Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help -- Dave Peterson |
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Tom,
Can you copy the files to a CD or diskette, or email them to yourself? Probably not, but let's try anything we can. If standing up and turning around three times would do it, I'd say do it! You might want to post this in a Windows newsgroup. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Dave: Yes, I rebooted after empting the Window/Temp folder. No the file nor the computer is on a network. This is a desktop personal home PC. I created another folder and moved the 3 problem files into the new folder; it still had the same "cannot access ready-only document" problem. I tried coping the files into another folder and it would not allow me to copy the files into the new folder. But I can move the 3 files to another folder, but I still cannot access them. When I tried to copy the files in the new folder I got the following: "Cannot copy file name: Access is denied. The source file may be in use." When the 3 problem files went bad, why would these 3 files be the only 3 of the many without an author, and having only the General Tab in the Properties display? This seems to be the major difference between the operating files and the 3 non-operating files. Just a little history on 2 of the 3 problem files. 2 of the problem files were the only files modified on 01-30-05. On that day we had ice storms that caused multiple outages. My battery backup failed each time the power went out causing the computer to have an abnormal shut down. The 3rd problem file was modified 3 days later; but no abnormal shut downs. Go figure??????? Tom "Dave Peterson" wrote: Did you reboot your pc? If yes and you still can't access it, how about using windows explorer and copying to a new name and opening that copy? If the file is on a network drive, can you ask your IT folks to reboot that server? tomgillane wrote: Earl: I cleared my Window/Temp folder but still no luck with the excel files. Please don't give up on me. Tom "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, As for the temp folder, as far as I know, the only time you wouln't want to remove files is if you've done an install of some program that reboots after installation. Such installations put stuff in that folder to use after the reboot. Other than that, I think you can trash everything in it. Press Ctrl-a to select all, then Shift-Delete (to bypass the recycle bin). Heck, you can even trash the temp folder -- windows will make another if it wants it badly enough. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... Earl: Thanks for the help but nothing seems to work. I tried opening Excel by File-Open but still get the "Cannot Access..". I do not have an "open and repair" task on my open button, but I did use the "detect and repair" located in Help but this did not correct the problem. I tried sending one of the files to another e-mail as an attachment but it would not allow the file to be attached. I was uncertain of how to clear the Window/Temp folder. When I clicked on the Temp folder there were piles of files and folders. I was afraid that I was deleting something I shouldn't delete. I tried starting excel by using the Start-Run; after it loaded I still could not access the files. I attempted the Ignore Other Applications but the Options under the Tool button was not active. I pulled up a new file and Tool-Option-General but the Ignore Other Applications was already unchecked. If you can think of something else, please get back with me. I think I will try reinstalling Excel. "Earl Kiosterud" wrote: Tom, SOme possibilities: Open them inside with Excel (File - Open), if you've been opening them by double-clicking them from their folder. If you have XL2002-up (and maybe 2000, I don't know), try the File - Open dialog, and open up the Open button and try "Open and repair." Send one or more to someone else to see if they can open them -- is it the workbooks, or your Excel? Some other general fix-up things include clearing the Windows\Temp folder. Try starting Excel with Start - Run - "excel.exe /regserver", then start it normally. Uncheck "Ignore other applications" in Tools - Options - General. -- Earl Kiosterud mvpearl omitthisword at verizon period net ------------------------------------------- "tomgillane" wrote in message ... I have three of many excel spread sheet files that I use and update daily that I can no longer access. I tried to access these files and I get the following message: "Cannot access read only document "file-name"". I am on Excel 2000 and Windows Me. I have checked out the properties on all files. None of them have the "read only" box ticked and there is only the General Tab. Also, there is no longer an author for these three files. All the rest that can be accessed have an author, normal attribute, and have General, Custom, Summary tabs. I do not recall doing anything different. I ran a virus scan on the files with no viruses indicated. Can anybody help me? I tried my last backup file but the backup file have the same problems. Please help -- Dave Peterson |
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