password protection

Hmmm. It is a strange quirk of the brain that I cannot remember names, but I
have no trouble remembering numbers so I don't have to write down any of my
account numbers or PINs. You could disguise the information in an innocent
looking letter (eg in the form of telephone numbers and text) and even
unprotected no-one would have a clue what it was all about.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
What I have in mind is data such as bank account details including PIN
numbers and passwords - and I have number of various accounts, credit
cards etc. There is no way I could remember it all. At the moment
all is held on paper which is not really very safe and because it is
on paper it has become rather messy. Should we be burglared and this
paper document was found I would be in a deep trouble. So I am
looking for a good electronically editable alternative to my Filofax.
If it was held only locally on my computer (backed up, of course) it
does not allow me to get to some information that I might need while
abroad.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to scramble the document as well as encrypt it,
then is there any point in saving the document at all?
If the thing is so secret, don't put it anywhere the public have
access. As for top v bottom posting, there are advocates of both
here. As long as your message is clear and readable I don't think
any of us really care which way round you do it. personally I prefer
not to have to wade through a load of stuff to get to the meat of
the message.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
OK, seems clear now. I suppose it would be even better, in addition
to relying on the password that the document will not be opened, to
additionally scramble in some way or at least disguise the contents
before closing it. In that way, even if someone managed to somehow
crack the password, there would be a second layer of protection.

By the way, do you top post in this group? Elsewhere I was usually
told off for doing that and also told to get rid of the OE (which I
did not do)

Roman



"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
1. Yes - if you can't *open* the document, you can't do anything
with it.
2. Yes
3. Yes

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
The whole point of a form is that you can open, read it and
complete it. The protection is to deter casual users from
altering the layout of the form. If you put a password to
prevent opening
of the form then you would have a hard (but ultimately not
impossible) time getting into it.

Just to make sure that I got it right.
1. If I protect a Word document by a password then it is fully
protected from being opened, read and altered and from being in
some way made into an unprotected copy as long as the password is
not cracked.
2. More complex password - better protection
3. Password protection remains with the document regardless where
it is stored, e.g. website, e-mail server

Roman

If it's a strong enough password (containing random upper and lower case and
punctuation), it might be a bit difficult to disguise!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Hmmm. It is a strange quirk of the brain that I cannot remember names, but
I
have no trouble remembering numbers so I don't have to write down any of
my
account numbers or PINs. You could disguise the information in an innocent
looking letter (eg in the form of telephone numbers and text) and even
unprotected no-one would have a clue what it was all about.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
What I have in mind is data such as bank account details including PIN
numbers and passwords - and I have number of various accounts, credit
cards etc. There is no way I could remember it all. At the moment
all is held on paper which is not really very safe and because it is
on paper it has become rather messy. Should we be burglared and this
paper document was found I would be in a deep trouble. So I am
looking for a good electronically editable alternative to my Filofax.
If it was held only locally on my computer (backed up, of course) it
does not allow me to get to some information that I might need while
abroad.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to scramble the document as well as encrypt it,
then is there any point in saving the document at all?
If the thing is so secret, don't put it anywhere the public have
access. As for top v bottom posting, there are advocates of both
here. As long as your message is clear and readable I don't think
any of us really care which way round you do it. personally I prefer
not to have to wade through a load of stuff to get to the meat of
the message.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
OK, seems clear now. I suppose it would be even better, in addition
to relying on the password that the document will not be opened, to
additionally scramble in some way or at least disguise the contents
before closing it. In that way, even if someone managed to somehow
crack the password, there would be a second layer of protection.

By the way, do you top post in this group? Elsewhere I was usually
told off for doing that and also told to get rid of the OE (which I
did not do)

Roman



"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
1. Yes - if you can't *open* the document, you can't do anything
with it.
2. Yes
3. Yes

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
The whole point of a form is that you can open, read it and
complete it. The protection is to deter casual users from
altering the layout of the form. If you put a password to
prevent opening
of the form then you would have a hard (but ultimately not
impossible) time getting into it.

Just to make sure that I got it right.
1. If I protect a Word document by a password then it is fully
protected from being opened, read and altered and from being in
some way made into an unprotected copy as long as the password is
not cracked.
2. More complex password - better protection
3. Password protection remains with the document regardless where
it is stored, e.g. website, e-mail server

Roman

And there lies the rub. Any password that is so complicated that you have to
write it down to remember it is ultimately no better than a simple password.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
If it's a strong enough password (containing random upper and lower
case and punctuation), it might be a bit difficult to disguise!


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Hmmm. It is a strange quirk of the brain that I cannot remember
names, but I have no trouble remembering numbers so I don't have to
write down any of my account numbers or PINs. You could disguise the
information in an innocent looking letter (eg in the form of
telephone numbers and text) and even unprotected no-one would have a
clue what it was all about.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
What I have in mind is data such as bank account details including
PIN numbers and passwords - and I have number of various accounts,
credit cards etc. There is no way I could remember it all. At the
moment
all is held on paper which is not really very safe and because it is
on paper it has become rather messy. Should we be burglared and this
paper document was found I would be in a deep trouble. So I am
looking for a good electronically editable alternative to my
Filofax. If it was held only locally on my computer (backed up, of
course) it does not allow me to get to some information that I
might need while abroad.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to scramble the document as well as encrypt it,
then is there any point in saving the document at all?
If the thing is so secret, don't put it anywhere the public have
access. As for top v bottom posting, there are advocates of both
here. As long as your message is clear and readable I don't think
any of us really care which way round you do it. personally I
prefer not to have to wade through a load of stuff to get to the
meat of
the message.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
OK, seems clear now. I suppose it would be even better, in
addition to relying on the password that the document will not be
opened, to additionally scramble in some way or at least
disguise the contents before closing it. In that way, even if
someone managed to somehow crack the password, there would be a
second layer of protection.

By the way, do you top post in this group? Elsewhere I was usually
told off for doing that and also told to get rid of the OE (which
I did not do)

Roman



"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
1. Yes - if you can't *open* the document, you can't do anything
with it.
2. Yes
3. Yes

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
The whole point of a form is that you can open, read it and
complete it. The protection is to deter casual users from
altering the layout of the form. If you put a password to
prevent opening
of the form then you would have a hard (but ultimately not
impossible) time getting into it.

Just to make sure that I got it right.
1. If I protect a Word document by a password then it is fully
protected from being opened, read and altered and from being in
some way made into an unprotected copy as long as the password
is not cracked.
2. More complex password - better protection
3. Password protection remains with the document regardless
where it is stored, e.g. website, e-mail server

Roman

And to remember too -
Roman


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If it's a strong enough password (containing random upper and lower case
and
punctuation), it might be a bit difficult to disguise!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Hmmm. It is a strange quirk of the brain that I cannot remember names,
but
I
have no trouble remembering numbers so I don't have to write down any of
my
account numbers or PINs. You could disguise the information in an
innocent
looking letter (eg in the form of telephone numbers and text) and even
unprotected no-one would have a clue what it was all about.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
What I have in mind is data such as bank account details including PIN
numbers and passwords - and I have number of various accounts, credit
cards etc. There is no way I could remember it all. At the moment
all is held on paper which is not really very safe and because it is
on paper it has become rather messy. Should we be burglared and this
paper document was found I would be in a deep trouble. So I am
looking for a good electronically editable alternative to my Filofax.
If it was held only locally on my computer (backed up, of course) it
does not allow me to get to some information that I might need while
abroad.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to scramble the document as well as encrypt it,
then is there any point in saving the document at all?
If the thing is so secret, don't put it anywhere the public have
access. As for top v bottom posting, there are advocates of both
here. As long as your message is clear and readable I don't think
any of us really care which way round you do it. personally I prefer
not to have to wade through a load of stuff to get to the meat of
the message.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
OK, seems clear now. I suppose it would be even better, in addition
to relying on the password that the document will not be opened, to
additionally scramble in some way or at least disguise the contents
before closing it. In that way, even if someone managed to somehow
crack the password, there would be a second layer of protection.

By the way, do you top post in this group? Elsewhere I was usually
told off for doing that and also told to get rid of the OE (which I
did not do)

Roman



"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
1. Yes - if you can't *open* the document, you can't do anything
with it.
2. Yes
3. Yes

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
The whole point of a form is that you can open, read it and
complete it. The protection is to deter casual users from
altering the layout of the form. If you put a password to
prevent opening
of the form then you would have a hard (but ultimately not
impossible) time getting into it.

Just to make sure that I got it right.
1. If I protect a Word document by a password then it is fully
protected from being opened, read and altered and from being in
some way made into an unprotected copy as long as the password is
not cracked.
2. More complex password - better protection
3. Password protection remains with the document regardless where
it is stored, e.g. website, e-mail server

Roman

Agreed.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
And there lies the rub. Any password that is so complicated that you have
to
write it down to remember it is ultimately no better than a simple
password.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
If it's a strong enough password (containing random upper and lower
case and punctuation), it might be a bit difficult to disguise!


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Hmmm. It is a strange quirk of the brain that I cannot remember
names, but I have no trouble remembering numbers so I don't have to
write down any of my account numbers or PINs. You could disguise the
information in an innocent looking letter (eg in the form of
telephone numbers and text) and even unprotected no-one would have a
clue what it was all about.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
What I have in mind is data such as bank account details including
PIN numbers and passwords - and I have number of various accounts,
credit cards etc. There is no way I could remember it all. At the
moment
all is held on paper which is not really very safe and because it is
on paper it has become rather messy. Should we be burglared and this
paper document was found I would be in a deep trouble. So I am
looking for a good electronically editable alternative to my
Filofax. If it was held only locally on my computer (backed up, of
course) it does not allow me to get to some information that I
might need while abroad.

Roman

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to scramble the document as well as encrypt it,
then is there any point in saving the document at all?
If the thing is so secret, don't put it anywhere the public have
access. As for top v bottom posting, there are advocates of both
here. As long as your message is clear and readable I don't think
any of us really care which way round you do it. personally I
prefer not to have to wade through a load of stuff to get to the
meat of
the message.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
OK, seems clear now. I suppose it would be even better, in
addition to relying on the password that the document will not be
opened, to additionally scramble in some way or at least
disguise the contents before closing it. In that way, even if
someone managed to somehow crack the password, there would be a
second layer of protection.

By the way, do you top post in this group? Elsewhere I was usually
told off for doing that and also told to get rid of the OE (which
I did not do)

Roman



"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
1. Yes - if you can't *open* the document, you can't do anything
with it.
2. Yes
3. Yes

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




r_mervart wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
The whole point of a form is that you can open, read it and
complete it. The protection is to deter casual users from
altering the layout of the form. If you put a password to
prevent opening
of the form then you would have a hard (but ultimately not
impossible) time getting into it.

Just to make sure that I got it right.
1. If I protect a Word document by a password then it is fully
protected from being opened, read and altered and from being in
some way made into an unprotected copy as long as the password
is not cracked.
2. More complex password - better protection
3. Password protection remains with the document regardless
where it is stored, e.g. website, e-mail server

Roman