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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any solution?
I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects
as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any solution?
How are you embedding the documents?
If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any solution?
Or, if you paste special as a JPG, you will get the typical JPG pinging that
happens near color changes. If you paste special = image type, try using a PNG, EMF or other non-lossy compression format image. -- Bill Dilworth A proud member of the Microsoft PPT MVP Team Users helping fellow users. http://billdilworth.mvps.org -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ vestprog2@ Please read the PowerPoint FAQ pages. yahoo. They answer most of our questions. com www.pptfaq.com .. "Echo S" wrote in message ... How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
Thanks for reply. In one of two ways. If the Word doc is already saved, I use
InsertObjectFrom file. Otherwise, I use InsertObjectMS Word and write the doc in the Word box. I do not change the size at all, the object is at 100% width and height. Most of the time the result is fine, but if I then apply Custom Animation to the slide, and run the Slide Show, the fonts in the embedded Word doc look as if they've been bitmapped. They look fine in PPT editing mode/normal view, they are fine if there's no animation but if I aply animation, those fonts go jagged again. -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
Thanks for your reply. If you see my answer to the q above you'll see I'm not
embedding them as images but as Word docs (so they can be edited in future). I should add tha I'm finding the same problem with Mathtype Equation Objects, they also go jagged when the slide show runs if Custom Animation has been applied. -- Kasama "Bill Dilworth" wrote: Or, if you paste special as a JPG, you will get the typical JPG pinging that happens near color changes. If you paste special = image type, try using a PNG, EMF or other non-lossy compression format image. -- Bill Dilworth A proud member of the Microsoft PPT MVP Team Users helping fellow users. http://billdilworth.mvps.org -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ vestprog2@ Please read the PowerPoint FAQ pages. yahoo. They answer most of our questions. com www.pptfaq.com .. "Echo S" wrote in message ... How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
Ahhh, I didn't realize animation was part of the issue.
This is a known issue with no good resolution -- or even really any good workarounds, other than removing the animation. Even some fonts in PPT textboxes become jagged when animated. It seems to be worse with dark text on light backgrounds and some font faces seem to be worse than others. Oh, another workaround would be to copy the object, Edit | Paste Special and choose PNG (as Bill mentioned). This creates an image of the text, and the image won't be jagged when you animate it. Drag your Word object off the edge of the slide where it won't show, but where you'll have it if you need to make changes to it later. But yes, as you mentioned, this will increase the size of your file, and yes, it's tedious. -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... Thanks for reply. In one of two ways. If the Word doc is already saved, I use InsertObjectFrom file. Otherwise, I use InsertObjectMS Word and write the doc in the Word box. I do not change the size at all, the object is at 100% width and height. Most of the time the result is fine, but if I then apply Custom Animation to the slide, and run the Slide Show, the fonts in the embedded Word doc look as if they've been bitmapped. They look fine in PPT editing mode/normal view, they are fine if there's no animation but if I aply animation, those fonts go jagged again. -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
OK, thanks to you both. Do you know if it's fixed in PPT 2007? Also I found
an article in the solutions center which referred to the problem happening with the fonts on graphs in animated slides, and said to fix it, just give the graph a solid background colour -- it seems to be related to handling graphics with transparent backgrounds. My slides or white, so I've tried giving the Word docs solid white shading applied to all docs, and it works! Unfortuantely, MathType does not include the ability to change the background, so this trick doesn't work for the equation obijects. I have to convert them to GIFS with a solid white background, and this is easier in MathType than converting to PNG. The fonts have very slightly fuzzy edges, but not jagged like before. Regards -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: Ahhh, I didn't realize animation was part of the issue. This is a known issue with no good resolution -- or even really any good workarounds, other than removing the animation. Even some fonts in PPT textboxes become jagged when animated. It seems to be worse with dark text on light backgrounds and some font faces seem to be worse than others. Oh, another workaround would be to copy the object, Edit | Paste Special and choose PNG (as Bill mentioned). This creates an image of the text, and the image won't be jagged when you animate it. Drag your Word object off the edge of the slide where it won't show, but where you'll have it if you need to make changes to it later. But yes, as you mentioned, this will increase the size of your file, and yes, it's tedious. -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... Thanks for reply. In one of two ways. If the Word doc is already saved, I use InsertObjectFrom file. Otherwise, I use InsertObjectMS Word and write the doc in the Word box. I do not change the size at all, the object is at 100% width and height. Most of the time the result is fine, but if I then apply Custom Animation to the slide, and run the Slide Show, the fonts in the embedded Word doc look as if they've been bitmapped. They look fine in PPT editing mode/normal view, they are fine if there's no animation but if I aply animation, those fonts go jagged again. -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
Hey, that's great news about the solid background! Thanks for the info!
I was curious about this in 2007 since the text engine was rewritten, so a couple of months ago I was at a big show and took the opportunity to slap 2007 up on the big screen with the rear projector and take a look. The text looked good and seemed to animate fine -- no real jaggies like we'd often see with animated text in 2003 and prior. I can't say that will always be the case, of course, but my test slides looked good. -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... OK, thanks to you both. Do you know if it's fixed in PPT 2007? Also I found an article in the solutions center which referred to the problem happening with the fonts on graphs in animated slides, and said to fix it, just give the graph a solid background colour -- it seems to be related to handling graphics with transparent backgrounds. My slides or white, so I've tried giving the Word docs solid white shading applied to all docs, and it works! Unfortuantely, MathType does not include the ability to change the background, so this trick doesn't work for the equation obijects. I have to convert them to GIFS with a solid white background, and this is easier in MathType than converting to PNG. The fonts have very slightly fuzzy edges, but not jagged like before. Regards -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: Ahhh, I didn't realize animation was part of the issue. This is a known issue with no good resolution -- or even really any good workarounds, other than removing the animation. Even some fonts in PPT textboxes become jagged when animated. It seems to be worse with dark text on light backgrounds and some font faces seem to be worse than others. Oh, another workaround would be to copy the object, Edit | Paste Special and choose PNG (as Bill mentioned). This creates an image of the text, and the image won't be jagged when you animate it. Drag your Word object off the edge of the slide where it won't show, but where you'll have it if you need to make changes to it later. But yes, as you mentioned, this will increase the size of your file, and yes, it's tedious. -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... Thanks for reply. In one of two ways. If the Word doc is already saved, I use InsertObjectFrom file. Otherwise, I use InsertObjectMS Word and write the doc in the Word box. I do not change the size at all, the object is at 100% width and height. Most of the time the result is fine, but if I then apply Custom Animation to the slide, and run the Slide Show, the fonts in the embedded Word doc look as if they've been bitmapped. They look fine in PPT editing mode/normal view, they are fine if there's no animation but if I aply animation, those fonts go jagged again. -- Kasama "Echo S" wrote: How are you embedding the documents? If you right-click one and choose Format Object, is the size proportionate on the Size tab, or is the aspect ratio off? -- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Kasama" wrote in message ... I have embedded Word docs in Powerpoint becuase they include equation objects as inline graphics mixed with text, which don't copy and paste into PowerPoint text boxes. As embedded Word docs they look fine in PowerPoint editing mode, but are terrible when running the actual slide show -- font edges are all fuzzy. Is there a solution other than laboriously converting all Word docs into bitmaps (which can't be edited subsequently and make file size huge?). The Word docs are fine when embedded into Excel, why so bad with Powerpoint? -- Kasama |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
On 24-May-2007, Kasama wrote:
OK, thanks to you both. Do you know if it's fixed in PPT 2007? The text issue seems to be better in PPT 2007, but animated equations may still have jagged edges. Like has already been mentioned, this depends on the slide background and the animation technique, but sometimes they'll still be jaggy. I've had better success with "appear" animation techniques (such as "appear" and "dissolve") than with "movement" animations (such as "zoom" and "fly from right"). Unfortuantely, MathType does not include the ability to change the background, so this trick doesn't work for the equation obijects. I have to convert them to GIFS with a solid white background, and this is easier in MathType than converting to PNG. The fonts have very slightly fuzzy edges, but not jagged like before. If you're going to use MathType GIFs in PPT slides, I recommend using high-resolution GIFs rather than the default. In MathType's Preferences menu, click on "Web and GIF Preferences". Set the resolution to 384dpi. When the equation is in PPT, reduce the size to 25% of the original. Don't drag the corner of the equation to do this. You'll have better and more consistent results if you right-click the equation, then select "Size and Position". Set the scale to 25%. Equations have excellent quality when produced this way, and animate just fine. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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Embedded Word docs have fuzzy fonts in slide show - any soluti
This is great info, Bob. Thanks for posting it!
-- Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/ "Bob Mathews" wrote in message ... On 24-May-2007, Kasama wrote: OK, thanks to you both. Do you know if it's fixed in PPT 2007? The text issue seems to be better in PPT 2007, but animated equations may still have jagged edges. Like has already been mentioned, this depends on the slide background and the animation technique, but sometimes they'll still be jaggy. I've had better success with "appear" animation techniques (such as "appear" and "dissolve") than with "movement" animations (such as "zoom" and "fly from right"). Unfortuantely, MathType does not include the ability to change the background, so this trick doesn't work for the equation obijects. I have to convert them to GIFS with a solid white background, and this is easier in MathType than converting to PNG. The fonts have very slightly fuzzy edges, but not jagged like before. If you're going to use MathType GIFs in PPT slides, I recommend using high-resolution GIFs rather than the default. In MathType's Preferences menu, click on "Web and GIF Preferences". Set the resolution to 384dpi. When the equation is in PPT, reduce the size to 25% of the original. Don't drag the corner of the equation to do this. You'll have better and more consistent results if you right-click the equation, then select "Size and Position". Set the scale to 25%. Equations have excellent quality when produced this way, and animate just fine. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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