Conditional End of Page Break

I work with large documents with headings and signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH

For the first question, set Keep with next on the Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in message
...
I work with large documents with headings and signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH

Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
...
I work with large documents with headings and signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

What you are looking for is the equivalent of Block
Protect in WordPerfect and, unfortunately, Word does not
have such a feature. Perhaps you can email them and ask
them to create one!


-----Original Message-----
Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way
to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
.. .
I work with large documents with headings and
signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell
that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

.

Actually, what I really want is the WP Conditional End of
Page which allowed you to set how many lines to keep
together (i.e. 8). I was hoping that because I'm still
learning Word, it was someplace that I just wasn't
looking yet. Don't suppose there's a macro out there
that some bright soul has created that will do the same
thing? Thanks for all the help.

-----Original Message-----
What you are looking for is the equivalent of Block
Protect in WordPerfect and, unfortunately, Word does not
have such a feature. Perhaps you can email them and ask
them to create one!


-----Original Message-----
Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document
will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way
to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of
the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
. ..
I work with large documents with headings and
signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell
that
style to move the heading to the next page if it
can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire
paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

.

.

The macro would have to resort to breaking the paragraph into two paragraphs
by typing a paragraph mark at the point where you want the page to break. I
don't think that's what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in message
...
Actually, what I really want is the WP Conditional End of
Page which allowed you to set how many lines to keep
together (i.e. 8). I was hoping that because I'm still
learning Word, it was someplace that I just wasn't
looking yet. Don't suppose there's a macro out there
that some bright soul has created that will do the same
thing? Thanks for all the help.

-----Original Message-----
What you are looking for is the equivalent of Block
Protect in WordPerfect and, unfortunately, Word does not
have such a feature. Perhaps you can email them and ask
them to create one!


-----Original Message-----
Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document
will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way
to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of
the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
. ..
I work with large documents with headings and
signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell
that
style to move the heading to the next page if it
can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire
paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

.

.

You can directly format that last paragraph before the signature block
as Keep With Next and Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page
with the signature block. Note that Word defines a paragraph as
anything that ends with a paragraph mark, i.e., any place you have
pressed Enter. So if you have used returns to insert spacing between
the last paragraph of the document and the signature block, Keep With
Next will instruct Word to keep your paragraph on the same page as the
blank line below it, not on the same page as the signature block.


"CJH" wrote in news:2dd9101c46a9a
:

Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
.. .
I work with large documents with headings and signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

It is interesting to see that you have the same expectation I used to have
about this: that "Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page with
the signature block." What Word actually does is push the *entire paragraph*
(no matter how long) to the next page. In effect, "Keep with next" here
activates "Keep lines together." Although I consider this behavior entirely
illogical and unexpected, apparently it is by design. sigh

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tracy" wrote in message
.77...
You can directly format that last paragraph before the signature block
as Keep With Next and Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page
with the signature block. Note that Word defines a paragraph as
anything that ends with a paragraph mark, i.e., any place you have
pressed Enter. So if you have used returns to insert spacing between
the last paragraph of the document and the signature block, Keep With
Next will instruct Word to keep your paragraph on the same page as the
blank line below it, not on the same page as the signature block.


"CJH" wrote in news:2dd9101c46a9a
:

Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In
keeping with this theme though, I find the document will
still put a page break between the last line of the
paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to
make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the
signature block, including the empty space before the
signature line?

-----Original Message-----
For the first question, set Keep with next on the
Heading style and
Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text.
For the second question, the Widow/orphan control
setting can be used to
keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the
next page, and Keep
with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep
lines together will
force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if
any part of it won't
fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want.

cjd


"CJH" wrote in
message
.. .
I work with large documents with headings and signature
blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page
with at least 2 lines of text in the following
paragraph
and I want the signature block to be on the same page
with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph.
I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that
style to move the heading to the next page if it can't
fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph
at the bottom of the page?
Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and
Page
Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the
signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph
instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page.
Obviously, I'm missing something.

Your help is appreciated.

CJH


.

Why so it does - I'll be dipsy doodled! I guess I never thought about it
because people I have worked with have usually just been concerned with
sending the signature block to the next page by itself and not with
specifically what goes with the signature block.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in
:

It is interesting to see that you have the same expectation I used to
have about this: that "Word will push a couple of lines of it to the
page with the signature block." What Word actually does is push the
*entire paragraph* (no matter how long) to the next page. In effect,
"Keep with next" here activates "Keep lines together." Although I
consider this behavior entirely illogical and unexpected, apparently
it is by design. sigh

FWIW, I have protested this illogical design, and there's a chance it might
be changed in a future version if enough people express an interest in and
desire for more logical behavior. A feature that has frequently been
requested, as well, is a "Keep with previous" setting so that a signature
block could always be kept with the previous paragraph without having to
format a specific paragraph as "Keep with next." If I remember, I'll post
this as a suggestion through the Office Community Web portal, and users can
vote on it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tracy" wrote in message
.77...
Why so it does - I'll be dipsy doodled! I guess I never thought about it
because people I have worked with have usually just been concerned with
sending the signature block to the next page by itself and not with
specifically what goes with the signature block.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in
:

It is interesting to see that you have the same expectation I used to
have about this: that "Word will push a couple of lines of it to the
page with the signature block." What Word actually does is push the
*entire paragraph* (no matter how long) to the next page. In effect,
"Keep with next" here activates "Keep lines together." Although I
consider this behavior entirely illogical and unexpected, apparently
it is by design. sigh