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Large Doc hangs PC
The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per
page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re-opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? |
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Hi, Rick,
Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re-opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . |
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I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to
mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re-opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . |
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Hi, Rick,
It could still be a memory issue ... 1GB of memory doesn't always behave the same. Many variables could cause your pc with 768k to have more capabiliy than your Office PC. Network, installed apps, what's running in startup ... and Illustrator is no lightweight (I use it constantly myself). Do the linked files exist on the local hard drives of all computers where you're opening these files, and are you updating links at each edit? One last try: are there addins installed or other apps integrated with and running within your Office pc's version of Word? There are some addins that could certainly make that difference. For example -- does your Office use a document management application integrated with Word like DocsOpen or Desksite? I hope these notes are useful. I don't expect to get back to the newsgroups again this week -- so I'll most likely not see anything else you post today. With the volume of linked graphics your using -- I have to say I think it's great that you haven't had an issue until this point. I know this might not be an option for you, but I'd recommend that you reconsider pasting as pictures. Pictures formatted as your linked objects are (that is, inline with text) are going to be much easier for such a complex doc to handle regardless of the computer environment. It doesn't take but a minute to copy and paste a picture to update it. (If you want to convert linked objects to pictures in an existing doc, press Alt+F9 to toggle all field codes in your document (this will make each linked graphic look like a field - you can also select a single graphic and press Shift+F9 just to toggle that one.) Then click into the field code for any graphic you want to convert and press Ctrl+Shift+F9. Technically, Ctrl+Shift+F9 will do the job right on the graphic without toggling to show the field -- but in Word 2000, I've experienced crashing of the document when trying this on the object rather than the field code.) Best, Stephanie -----Original Message----- I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re- opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . . |
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The graphic files are set up the same on each PC.
There are no add-on applications. Even when Word is not the active program, it still takes up the processor. Only when I minimize Word, will the CPU drops off to normal. I've tried using picture place holders and field codes, but no change. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, It could still be a memory issue ... 1GB of memory doesn't always behave the same. Many variables could cause your pc with 768k to have more capabiliy than your Office PC. Network, installed apps, what's running in startup ... and Illustrator is no lightweight (I use it constantly myself). Do the linked files exist on the local hard drives of all computers where you're opening these files, and are you updating links at each edit? One last try: are there addins installed or other apps integrated with and running within your Office pc's version of Word? There are some addins that could certainly make that difference. For example -- does your Office use a document management application integrated with Word like DocsOpen or Desksite? I hope these notes are useful. I don't expect to get back to the newsgroups again this week -- so I'll most likely not see anything else you post today. With the volume of linked graphics your using -- I have to say I think it's great that you haven't had an issue until this point. I know this might not be an option for you, but I'd recommend that you reconsider pasting as pictures. Pictures formatted as your linked objects are (that is, inline with text) are going to be much easier for such a complex doc to handle regardless of the computer environment. It doesn't take but a minute to copy and paste a picture to update it. (If you want to convert linked objects to pictures in an existing doc, press Alt+F9 to toggle all field codes in your document (this will make each linked graphic look like a field - you can also select a single graphic and press Shift+F9 just to toggle that one.) Then click into the field code for any graphic you want to convert and press Ctrl+Shift+F9. Technically, Ctrl+Shift+F9 will do the job right on the graphic without toggling to show the field -- but in Word 2000, I've experienced crashing of the document when trying this on the object rather than the field code.) Best, Stephanie -----Original Message----- I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re- opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . . . |
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The graphic files are set up the same on each PC.
There are no add-on applications. Even when Word is not the active program, it still takes up the processor. Only when I minimize Word, will the CPU drops off to normal. I've tried using picture place holders and field codes, but no change. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, It could still be a memory issue ... 1GB of memory doesn't always behave the same. Many variables could cause your pc with 768k to have more capabiliy than your Office PC. Network, installed apps, what's running in startup ... and Illustrator is no lightweight (I use it constantly myself). Do the linked files exist on the local hard drives of all computers where you're opening these files, and are you updating links at each edit? One last try: are there addins installed or other apps integrated with and running within your Office pc's version of Word? There are some addins that could certainly make that difference. For example -- does your Office use a document management application integrated with Word like DocsOpen or Desksite? I hope these notes are useful. I don't expect to get back to the newsgroups again this week -- so I'll most likely not see anything else you post today. With the volume of linked graphics your using -- I have to say I think it's great that you haven't had an issue until this point. I know this might not be an option for you, but I'd recommend that you reconsider pasting as pictures. Pictures formatted as your linked objects are (that is, inline with text) are going to be much easier for such a complex doc to handle regardless of the computer environment. It doesn't take but a minute to copy and paste a picture to update it. (If you want to convert linked objects to pictures in an existing doc, press Alt+F9 to toggle all field codes in your document (this will make each linked graphic look like a field - you can also select a single graphic and press Shift+F9 just to toggle that one.) Then click into the field code for any graphic you want to convert and press Ctrl+Shift+F9. Technically, Ctrl+Shift+F9 will do the job right on the graphic without toggling to show the field -- but in Word 2000, I've experienced crashing of the document when trying this on the object rather than the field code.) Best, Stephanie -----Original Message----- I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re- opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . . . |
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The graphic files are set up the same on each PC.
There are no add-on applications. Even when Word is not the active program, it still takes up the processor. Only when I minimize Word, will the CPU drops off to normal. I've tried using picture place holders and field codes, but no change. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, It could still be a memory issue ... 1GB of memory doesn't always behave the same. Many variables could cause your pc with 768k to have more capabiliy than your Office PC. Network, installed apps, what's running in startup ... and Illustrator is no lightweight (I use it constantly myself). Do the linked files exist on the local hard drives of all computers where you're opening these files, and are you updating links at each edit? One last try: are there addins installed or other apps integrated with and running within your Office pc's version of Word? There are some addins that could certainly make that difference. For example -- does your Office use a document management application integrated with Word like DocsOpen or Desksite? I hope these notes are useful. I don't expect to get back to the newsgroups again this week -- so I'll most likely not see anything else you post today. With the volume of linked graphics your using -- I have to say I think it's great that you haven't had an issue until this point. I know this might not be an option for you, but I'd recommend that you reconsider pasting as pictures. Pictures formatted as your linked objects are (that is, inline with text) are going to be much easier for such a complex doc to handle regardless of the computer environment. It doesn't take but a minute to copy and paste a picture to update it. (If you want to convert linked objects to pictures in an existing doc, press Alt+F9 to toggle all field codes in your document (this will make each linked graphic look like a field - you can also select a single graphic and press Shift+F9 just to toggle that one.) Then click into the field code for any graphic you want to convert and press Ctrl+Shift+F9. Technically, Ctrl+Shift+F9 will do the job right on the graphic without toggling to show the field -- but in Word 2000, I've experienced crashing of the document when trying this on the object rather than the field code.) Best, Stephanie -----Original Message----- I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re- opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . . . |
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What is the size of the page file on the three machines?
Bob S On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:25:04 -0700, "Rick" wrote: I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re-opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . |
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What is the size of the page file on the three machines?
Bob S On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:25:04 -0700, "Rick" wrote: I knew as soon as I left the office that I forgot to mention that the DOC files are only 500K in size. If I were to embed the graphics, the file size would balloon to over 100Meg. I keep the graphics linked so they can be updated easily. The graphics are 300 DPI JPG's from Adobe Illustrator, and are located in a subdirectory of the DOC file location. The graphics are placed using the default settings of in-line with text on their own line (no wrap settings). Memory shouldn't be a problem. I just upgraded to 1 Gb memory recently, and do not notice anything odd when I reach this threshold. I've bogged the PC down by simultaneously running SolidWorks, Illustrator, Photoshop, Word, Notes, Agile, FrameMaker, VisualCad, and Netscape to the point where Windows had to increase the page file size, but still didn't have this problem. ================== Here's a sudden twist: I brought the files home with me, and I just opened the file on my main home PC (comparable to the work PC, except it is running Win2K instead of XP (same version of Word)). The CPU did not spike. As a matter of fact, I just copy/pasted the text to 400 pages without a problem. So I decided to open the file on an old laptop PC that I also use. The CPU spiked at 100%. This laptop also uses Win2k like my main home computer, but only has a 333MHz processor and 256Mb RAM. This tells me it is not a Win2k versus WinXP issue. Nor is it memory (the home PC only has 768Mb memory). Both PC's are well maintained (but this laptop isn't). Nor is it a Word service pack issue (I upgraded the work PC to SP3 without change). If I had to make a comparison, I would say the work PC is newer, better, and better maintained than my home PC. Nonetheless, they are still similar. (Both are 2.4 GHz P4's) So the good news is that it is not a Word 2000 roadblock, which I was very afraid of. The bad news is that I am even more puzzled as to the cause. -----Original Message----- Hi, Rick, Sounds like you might just be reaching a threshold ... you are asking a lot of these documents (in terms of the graphics, in particular) - but we can probably find you a pretty easy solution. I'll need a bit more info: - What is the file size of a typical one of these documents when it starts experiencing problems? - What type of graphics are they (and what's the source application)? - Is it necessary that they all be linked rather than pasted as pictures? (If you don't have to frequently edit these graphics once they're pasted, pictures will use much less memory and be easier for the document to manage than so many linked objects.) - Also, what layout option do you use for the graphics (do you use text wrap or are the objects all inline with text? (i.e., what option is selected in Format, Object, Layout)? (objects with text wrap -- particularly so many in one document -- can become a source of instability. Inline objects and pictures are much easier for the document to manage (and easier to format as well). Best, Stephanie Krieger author of Microsoft Office Document Designer e-mail: MODD_2003 at msn dot com blog: arouet.net -----Original Message----- The documents I create are heavy in graphics (about 2 per page) and heavy in cross references (1 or 2 per page). The graphics are linked, not embedded. Most of these never exceed 60 to 80 pages. On my current document, when I hit 104 pages, the CPU pegs at 94-99%, but does not lock up the program or computer. When I re-open the document, the CPU is at 1% until I make any type of edit to the document, then it pegs again. (Word 2000/SP3, 2.4 GHz P4, 1 Gb RAM). I can repeat this by deleting text, saving and re-opening the document, and then adding new text back in. Everything is fine until I reach 104 pages. Thinking I had a corrupt file, I went back to some older files and copy/pasted enough of their own text to bring the page count over 100 (150-180 in some cases). Each time I would get the same results, although it varied on haw many pages it took. I also went back to a 4 year old document that used a completely different template. The page count differed, but the results were the same. Any ideas? . . |
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