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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access
2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Shapiro |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Paul, did you try a decompile?
Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Shapiro |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Starting a new project, would be the most effective way to handle your
SourceSafe version control. I use a table (appropriately named ChangeLog) in each front-end database to record each change. I store the name of the object, the type of change, a description of the change and a timestamp. The description gives me far more information than I can get from SourceSafe. -- Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP http://www.datastrat.com http://www.mvps.org/access http://www.accessmvp.com "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Shapiro |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Thanks Allen. I forgot to add that I tried decompiling a few times, but
Access crashes. I re-created the db from Sourcesafe, made a copy, compacted to remove the source control info without letting any startup code run, and still the decompile crashes. Paul "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Paul, did you try a decompile? Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Shapiro |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
I think you're right that starting a new project is probably the best I can
do. I use the SourceSafe checking comments to keep the change history you describe. The one extra thing I like SourceSafe for is the ability to do a Difference between any versions of an object. That shows every detail of the changes. And SourceSafe is a convenient way to fix the occasional front-end corruption. Just build a new copy from SourceSafe. Paul "Arvin Meyer [MVP]" wrote in message ... Starting a new project, would be the most effective way to handle your SourceSafe version control. I use a table (appropriately named ChangeLog) in each front-end database to record each change. I store the name of the object, the type of change, a description of the change and a timestamp. The description gives me far more information than I can get from SourceSafe. -- Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP http://www.datastrat.com http://www.mvps.org/access http://www.accessmvp.com "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Ah: that's a fairly good indication that the problem may be in that area.
Copy the code from the bad forms out to notepad. Then set the form's HasData property to No. Save. Compact the database. Try the decompile. If it works, you can paste the code back in again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thanks Allen. I forgot to add that I tried decompiling a few times, but Access crashes. I re-created the db from Sourcesafe, made a copy, compacted to remove the source control info without letting any startup code run, and still the decompile crashes. Paul "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Paul, did you try a decompile? Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Shapiro |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Thank you Allen! Removing those 3 forms' modules let the decompile complete
successfully, so it seems like a great start. I have to run out now, so I'll finish the code restoration and testing in A2007 later today. THANK YOU. "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Ah: that's a fairly good indication that the problem may be in that area. Copy the code from the bad forms out to notepad. Then set the form's HasData property to No. Save. Compact the database. Try the decompile. If it works, you can paste the code back in again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thanks Allen. I forgot to add that I tried decompiling a few times, but Access crashes. I re-created the db from Sourcesafe, made a copy, compacted to remove the source control info without letting any startup code run, and still the decompile crashes. Paul "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Paul, did you try a decompile? Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Thank you once again Allen. It works fine now. I opened each form, checking
it out of SourceSafe. I removed the code module, saved the form, re-created the module and checked in the form. No more Access 2007 errors. I didn't do the decompile on the SourceSafe copy of the database. I had done that on another db copy, before the first test in Access 2007. Do you think I need to decompile the SourceSafe version if everything seems to be working correctly now? "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thank you Allen! Removing those 3 forms' modules let the decompile complete successfully, so it seems like a great start. I have to run out now, so I'll finish the code restoration and testing in A2007 later today. THANK YOU. "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Ah: that's a fairly good indication that the problem may be in that area. Copy the code from the bad forms out to notepad. Then set the form's HasData property to No. Save. Compact the database. Try the decompile. If it works, you can paste the code back in again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thanks Allen. I forgot to add that I tried decompiling a few times, but Access crashes. I re-created the db from Sourcesafe, made a copy, compacted to remove the source control info without letting any startup code run, and still the decompile crashes. Paul "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Paul, did you try a decompile? Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
OK, I thought everything was clean, but it's not finished yet. I checked
everything out from SourceSafe. I removed the code modules from the 3 problematic forms that weren't opening in Access 2007 (out of memory error). I decompiled the db, successfully, and then compacted/repaired. I re-created the code modules for those 3 forms. I checked everything back into SourceSafe. At this point the db worked fine in Access 2007. Before distributing a db, I like to create a new db from SourceSafe, so I did that. That db has the original problem (out of memory error) with the same 3 forms. So it looks like either checking objects into SourceSafe or generating objects from SourceSafe is causing the problem. Any more suggestions? Is this something that might be worth pursuing with Microsoft Support? I get a free support incident via MSDN so it doesn't cost money, I think. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thank you once again Allen. It works fine now. I opened each form, checking it out of SourceSafe. I removed the code module, saved the form, re-created the module and checked in the form. No more Access 2007 errors. I didn't do the decompile on the SourceSafe copy of the database. I had done that on another db copy, before the first test in Access 2007. Do you think I need to decompile the SourceSafe version if everything seems to be working correctly now? "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thank you Allen! Removing those 3 forms' modules let the decompile complete successfully, so it seems like a great start. I have to run out now, so I'll finish the code restoration and testing in A2007 later today. THANK YOU. "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Ah: that's a fairly good indication that the problem may be in that area. Copy the code from the bad forms out to notepad. Then set the form's HasData property to No. Save. Compact the database. Try the decompile. If it works, you can paste the code back in again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... Thanks Allen. I forgot to add that I tried decompiling a few times, but Access crashes. I re-created the db from Sourcesafe, made a copy, compacted to remove the source control info without letting any startup code run, and still the decompile crashes. Paul "Allen Browne" wrote in message ... Paul, did you try a decompile? Since each version of Access uses a different binary, and the binary is not part of the text version, it would be the suspect here. My suggestion would be to decompile in A2003, then compact (ensuring no code runs), and then open in A2007 and compile. I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on that. 1. Using Access 2003, make sure the Name AutoCorrect boxes are unchecked under: Tools | Options | General | Name AutoCorrect Then compact. 2. Decompile a copy of the database by entering something like this at the command prompt while Access is not running. It is all one line, and include the quotes: "c:\Program Files\Microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" /decompile "c:\MyPath\MyDatabase.mdb" 3. Open Access 2003 (holding down the Shift key if you have any startup code), and compact again. Then open in Access 2007, compile, and compact again. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... I have a database that's been updated from at least Access 97 (maybe Access 2, I can't remember anymore) and has been running fine in Access 2003 for years. My client upgraded to Vista with Office 2007. Almost everything in the database works fine, except 3 forms. Each of these forms has a tab control. Two of the forms have subforms on some of the tabs, one doesn't. When I try to open the forms in Access 2007 running on Vista in Virtual PC, I get the error "There isn't enough memory to perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again." I can't open the form in design mode either. Same error. All the subforms open fine, and one of the problem forms doesn't even have subforms. I found a fix that I don't understand. If I open the problem forms in Access 2003 and use Save As to save them under a new name, they work fine in Access 2007, without any other changes. I used the Application.SaveAsText to extract the complete form representation for both the working forms and the problem forms. The only differences are the GUID's assigned to the controls. Nothing else. Saving a new copy of the form would be an ok fix, except for one problem. I use SourceSafe to keep the version control. If I save the forms under a new name, I lose the version history. I've found the version history very helpful when a new problem appears, so I'm reluctant to throw it away. I've thought of workarounds, like keep this history and start a new project for an Access 2007 version. That would work, but I'd prefer to avoid the complexity if possible. Any suggestions? |
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Running Access 2003 db in 2007, and a few forms don't work
Paul, I don't use VSS, so can't really provide you with info on that.
Perhaps someone who uses it can comment. -- Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org. "Paul Shapiro" wrote in message ... OK, I thought everything was clean, but it's not finished yet. I checked everything out from SourceSafe. I removed the code modules from the 3 problematic forms that weren't opening in Access 2007 (out of memory error). I decompiled the db, successfully, and then compacted/repaired. I re-created the code modules for those 3 forms. I checked everything back into SourceSafe. At this point the db worked fine in Access 2007. Before distributing a db, I like to create a new db from SourceSafe, so I did that. That db has the original problem (out of memory error) with the same 3 forms. So it looks like either checking objects into SourceSafe or generating objects from SourceSafe is causing the problem. Any more suggestions? Is this something that might be worth pursuing with Microsoft Support? I get a free support incident via MSDN so it doesn't cost money, I think. |
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