Can't Open MDE

Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7 days ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc with no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though, because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both PC's are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime mode, with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click on the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident a week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one PC, but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem computer in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7 days ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup icon and by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times - which is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed on the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though, because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both PC's are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime mode, with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click on the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident a week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one PC, but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem computer in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7 days ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File," "Window," and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open the MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup... to open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the "Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup icon and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times - which is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed on the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7 days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu that was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the uninstall removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me most of the
day to get the other application back up. But the new installation did not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of any type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File," "Window," and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open the MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup... to open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the "Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup icon and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times - which is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed on the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7 days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi, Linda.

1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form.

So, as soon as you changed the startup properties to open to a certain form,
the problem PC correctly opened the Runtime version of the application with
that particular form. Correct?

I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear.

After the Runtime version is fully open on the problem PC, is there a
"strip" or horizontal space below the application title bar where the menu
bar would be?

Shift Key while opening has no effect.

That's because you are using the Runtime version.

2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and reinstalled
the application.

You uninstalled and reinstalled the Access Runtime version on the problem
PC? That probably wasn't necessary.

then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

Did you press CTRLF10 in the Runtime MDE? Did that change the
application title bar in any way?

I suspect that your MDE's startup properties include:

1.) A custom menu bar.
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help" menu
items.
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked.
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked.

Are these suspicions correct?

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu that was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the uninstall
removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me most of
the
day to get the other application back up. But the new installation did
not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of any
type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the
ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able
to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File," "Window,"
and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open the
MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup... to
open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the "Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the
form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able
to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup icon
and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times - which
is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access
developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed on
the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime
version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this
pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both
PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with
no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime
mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click
on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other
PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident
a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one
PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem
computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7
days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with
no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this
pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Gunny,
Let's try again.
1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

4.
1.) A custom menu bar. -- YES
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help" menu
items. -- Correct
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu bar on
and off.

Linda



"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form.

So, as soon as you changed the startup properties to open to a certain form,
the problem PC correctly opened the Runtime version of the application with
that particular form. Correct?

I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear.

After the Runtime version is fully open on the problem PC, is there a
"strip" or horizontal space below the application title bar where the menu
bar would be?

Shift Key while opening has no effect.

That's because you are using the Runtime version.

2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and reinstalled
the application.

You uninstalled and reinstalled the Access Runtime version on the problem
PC? That probably wasn't necessary.

then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

Did you press CTRLF10 in the Runtime MDE? Did that change the
application title bar in any way?

I suspect that your MDE's startup properties include:

1.) A custom menu bar.
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help" menu
items.
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked.
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked.

Are these suspicions correct?

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu that was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the uninstall
removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me most of
the
day to get the other application back up. But the new installation did
not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of any
type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the
ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able
to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File," "Window,"
and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open the
MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup... to
open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the "Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the
form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were able
to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup icon
and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times - which
is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access
developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed on
the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime
version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this
pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that both
PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with
no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in runtime
mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you "click
on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the other
PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't evident
a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed one
PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem
computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly 7
days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen with
no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into this
pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi, Linda.

Unfortunately, I don't have Office 97 ODE, so I can't compare what you are
seeing with what you _should_ be seeing. I only have later versions of
Access available to see the effects of the Runtime version by using the
/Runtime command-line switch to open a test database. Much of what you've
been describing is what one would expect to see in the Runtime version of
Access: no database window, limited menu until the custom menu replaces it
during startup, no form displayed unless it's set as a startup form, no
toolbars, et cetera.

1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

Good. That's expected.

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

There's an empty strip under the Access application title bar in later
Runtime versions when the relevant menu items are not included on the custom
menu, and the built-in menu and toolbars are not displayed. So there's a
difference.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

It makes a visible change to the window in later versions. Another
difference.

2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Can you check the source code from the MDB file? Is there VBA code setting
the display of the built-in menu database property to false? If there isn't
any code in the database, can you find out if a utility application has been
used to set this database property to false?

3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Sorry. My mistake. The Runtime version doesn't show this, so it doesn't
matter whether it's checked or not.

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu bar
on
and off.

I would not expect this to do anything unless your custom menu has at least
one of the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu items, which it
doesn't. Go ahead and try it if you'd like to see what happens.

Can you make a copy of the MDB database file, then in this copy create a new
custom menu bar that duplicates the built-in menu bar exactly (or at least
the default Runtime menu items of "File," "Window," and "Help"), then set
this new custom menu as the menu bar at startup? Then try to open this
database with the problem PC and see what the menu looks like in the Runtime
version.

Hopefully, you'll see the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu items,
along with the startup form. If that's the case, then it means that your
current custom menu bar doesn't have the right menu items that would enable
the Access Runtime version to display it when the form opens.

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Gunny,
Let's try again.
1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

4.
1.) A custom menu bar. -- YES
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help"
menu
items. -- Correct
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu bar
on
and off.

Linda



"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form.

So, as soon as you changed the startup properties to open to a certain
form,
the problem PC correctly opened the Runtime version of the application
with
that particular form. Correct?

I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear.

After the Runtime version is fully open on the problem PC, is there a
"strip" or horizontal space below the application title bar where the
menu
bar would be?

Shift Key while opening has no effect.

That's because you are using the Runtime version.

2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application.

You uninstalled and reinstalled the Access Runtime version on the
problem
PC? That probably wasn't necessary.

then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

Did you press CTRLF10 in the Runtime MDE? Did that change the
application title bar in any way?

I suspect that your MDE's startup properties include:

1.) A custom menu bar.
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help"
menu
items.
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked.
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked.

Are these suspicions correct?

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
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"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu that
was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the uninstall
removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me most
of
the
day to get the other application back up. But the new installation
did
not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of any
type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as
the
ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no
effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were
able
to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File,"
"Window,"
and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If
so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open
the
MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup...
to
open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the
"Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the
form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

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See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were
able
to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup
icon
and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times -
which
is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access
developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed
on
the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime
version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into
this
pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is
opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay
though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that
both
PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in
runtime
mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you
"click
on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the
other
PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't
evident
a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed
one
PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem
computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

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See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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"LouisianaLinda"
wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly
7
days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into
this
pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Gunny
I still don't know what happened but this is what I did and my app now is
usable. I took your last suggestion and tried to apply it to my problem
so that I could find a work around.

1. I copied the MDB application to a new file with a new name
2. Created a new toolbar identical to the old one
3. Set the new toolbar as the default in the Setup menu
4. Created my MDE with a new name
5. Moved the new MDE to the Problem PC and changed the startup icons to
point to the new MDE
6. Voila it works!!!!

Thanks for all your help in trying to locate the problem.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

Unfortunately, I don't have Office 97 ODE, so I can't compare what you are
seeing with what you _should_ be seeing. I only have later versions of
Access available to see the effects of the Runtime version by using the
/Runtime command-line switch to open a test database. Much of what you've
been describing is what one would expect to see in the Runtime version of
Access: no database window, limited menu until the custom menu replaces it
during startup, no form displayed unless it's set as a startup form, no
toolbars, et cetera.

1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

Good. That's expected.

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

There's an empty strip under the Access application title bar in later
Runtime versions when the relevant menu items are not included on the custom
menu, and the built-in menu and toolbars are not displayed. So there's a
difference.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

It makes a visible change to the window in later versions. Another
difference.

2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Can you check the source code from the MDB file? Is there VBA code setting
the display of the built-in menu database property to false? If there isn't
any code in the database, can you find out if a utility application has been
used to set this database property to false?

3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Sorry. My mistake. The Runtime version doesn't show this, so it doesn't
matter whether it's checked or not.

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu bar
on
and off.

I would not expect this to do anything unless your custom menu has at least
one of the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu items, which it
doesn't. Go ahead and try it if you'd like to see what happens.

Can you make a copy of the MDB database file, then in this copy create a new
custom menu bar that duplicates the built-in menu bar exactly (or at least
the default Runtime menu items of "File," "Window," and "Help"), then set
this new custom menu as the menu bar at startup? Then try to open this
database with the problem PC and see what the menu looks like in the Runtime
version.

Hopefully, you'll see the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu items,
along with the startup form. If that's the case, then it means that your
current custom menu bar doesn't have the right menu items that would enable
the Access Runtime version to display it when the form opens.

HTH.

Gunny

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See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Gunny,
Let's try again.
1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

4.
1.) A custom menu bar. -- YES
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help"
menu
items. -- Correct
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu bar
on
and off.

Linda



"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form.

So, as soon as you changed the startup properties to open to a certain
form,
the problem PC correctly opened the Runtime version of the application
with
that particular form. Correct?

I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear.

After the Runtime version is fully open on the problem PC, is there a
"strip" or horizontal space below the application title bar where the
menu
bar would be?

Shift Key while opening has no effect.

That's because you are using the Runtime version.

2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application.

You uninstalled and reinstalled the Access Runtime version on the
problem
PC? That probably wasn't necessary.

then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

Did you press CTRLF10 in the Runtime MDE? Did that change the
application title bar in any way?

I suspect that your MDE's startup properties include:

1.) A custom menu bar.
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and "Help"
menu
items.
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked.
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked.

Are these suspicions correct?

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu that
was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the uninstall
removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me most
of
the
day to get the other application back up. But the new installation
did
not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of any
type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as
the
ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no
effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were
able
to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File,"
"Window,"
and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed? If
so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then open
the
MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu - Startup...
to
open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the
"Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see the
form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and were
able
to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the startup
icon
and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times -
which
is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access
developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version installed
on
the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime
version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into
this
pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is
opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay
though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure that
both
PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in
runtime
mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When you
"click
on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is the
other
PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't
evident
a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has changed
one
PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the problem
computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda"
wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened correctly
7
days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped into
this
pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?

Hi, Linda.

That's great news! And you're very welcome!

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

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will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in message
...
Gunny
I still don't know what happened but this is what I did and my app now is
usable. I took your last suggestion and tried to apply it to my
problem
so that I could find a work around.

1. I copied the MDB application to a new file with a new name
2. Created a new toolbar identical to the old one
3. Set the new toolbar as the default in the Setup menu
4. Created my MDE with a new name
5. Moved the new MDE to the Problem PC and changed the startup icons to
point to the new MDE
6. Voila it works!!!!

Thanks for all your help in trying to locate the problem.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

Unfortunately, I don't have Office 97 ODE, so I can't compare what you
are
seeing with what you _should_ be seeing. I only have later versions of
Access available to see the effects of the Runtime version by using the
/Runtime command-line switch to open a test database. Much of what
you've
been describing is what one would expect to see in the Runtime version
of
Access: no database window, limited menu until the custom menu replaces
it
during startup, no form displayed unless it's set as a startup form, no
toolbars, et cetera.

1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

Good. That's expected.

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

There's an empty strip under the Access application title bar in later
Runtime versions when the relevant menu items are not included on the
custom
menu, and the built-in menu and toolbars are not displayed. So there's
a
difference.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

It makes a visible change to the window in later versions. Another
difference.

2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Can you check the source code from the MDB file? Is there VBA code
setting
the display of the built-in menu database property to false? If there
isn't
any code in the database, can you find out if a utility application has
been
used to set this database property to false?

3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

Sorry. My mistake. The Runtime version doesn't show this, so it
doesn't
matter whether it's checked or not.

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu
bar
on
and off.

I would not expect this to do anything unless your custom menu has at
least
one of the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu items, which it
doesn't. Go ahead and try it if you'd like to see what happens.

Can you make a copy of the MDB database file, then in this copy create a
new
custom menu bar that duplicates the built-in menu bar exactly (or at
least
the default Runtime menu items of "File," "Window," and "Help"), then
set
this new custom menu as the menu bar at startup? Then try to open this
database with the problem PC and see what the menu looks like in the
Runtime
version.

Hopefully, you'll see the default "File," "Window," and "Help" menu
items,
along with the startup form. If that's the case, then it means that
your
current custom menu bar doesn't have the right menu items that would
enable
the Access Runtime version to display it when the form opens.

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Gunny,
Let's try again.
1. Yes I was able to see the form when I changed the mde startup

2. No strip under title where the menu should be.

3. CTRLF10 didn't change anything in the runtime

4.
1.) A custom menu bar. -- YES
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and
"Help"
menu
items. -- Correct
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked. -- no it is checked
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked. -- no it is checked

5. Should I just try F10 since that is supposed to toggle the menu
bar
on
and off.

Linda



"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I
was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form.

So, as soon as you changed the startup properties to open to a
certain
form,
the problem PC correctly opened the Runtime version of the
application
with
that particular form. Correct?

I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only as the ap
opens, then all menus disappear.

After the Runtime version is fully open on the problem PC, is there
a
"strip" or horizontal space below the application title bar where
the
menu
bar would be?

Shift Key while opening has no effect.

That's because you are using the Runtime version.

2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application.

You uninstalled and reinstalled the Access Runtime version on the
problem
PC? That probably wasn't necessary.

then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

Did you press CTRLF10 in the Runtime MDE? Did that change the
application title bar in any way?

I suspect that your MDE's startup properties include:

1.) A custom menu bar.
2.) The custom menu bar does not include "File," "Window," and
"Help"
menu
items.
2.) Allow Full Menus is unchecked.
3.) Allow Built-in Toolbars is unchecked.

Are these suspicions correct?

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda" wrote in
message
...
Hi Gunny,
What a disaster yesterday was.

First I will answer your questions.
1. On the problem PC we did not ever see any type of menu. But I
was
able
to change the mde so that it opened a form. But never the menu
that
was
supposed to allow the user to see the form.
2. Since I could not get anything to work, I uninstalled and
reinstalled
the application. Well that caused a major problem as the
uninstall
removed
the registry keys for another major application. So it took me
most
of
the
day to get the other application back up. But the new
installation
did
not
cure the problem.

So in conclusion - no matter what I do - I can never see a menu of
any
type
after the ap opens. I can get a glance at an abreviated menu only
as
the
ap
opens, then all menus disappear. Shift Key while opening has no
effect.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi, Linda.

1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other
PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and
were
able
to
open with no problems
We have tested everything but reinstall the runtime version.

On the problem PC, do you see a limited menu with only "File,"
"Window,"
and
"Help" menu items, but no database window and no form displayed?
If
so,
then press CTRLF10. Do you see a change in the title bar?

If so, then close the application on the problem PC, and then
open
the
MDE
file from the development PC. Select the Tools menu -
Startup...
to
open
the Startup dialog window. Select one of the form names in the
"Display
Form/Page" combo box. Select the "OK" button to save the
change.

Now go back to the problem PC and open the MDE file. Do you see
the
form
now and a few more items on the menu that weren't there before?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda"
wrote in
message
...
Thanks for the response -
1. We moved the MDB data file and the MDE file to the other
PC
which
was
the development PC and put them in the correct locations and
were
able
to
open with no problems
2. No software installed on the problem PC that we know about
3. Opened the file on the Problem PC by clicking on the
startup
icon
and
by
clicking on the actual file itself. Same results both times -
which
is no
results
4. The development PC was able to open the files using Access
developer
edition - Is it possible I have a bad run time version
installed
on
the
Problem PC? We have tested everything but reinstall the
runtime
version.

Linda

"'69 Camaro" wrote:

Hi.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped
into
this
pc
with
no
problems.

That's good news. It means that the file the other PC is
opening is
okay.
It does _not_ mean that the file on the problem PC is okay
though,
because
the other PC may be pointing to a different file. Ensure
that
both
PC's
are
opening the same file.

Now when we click on the program icon we get a program
screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

This is what one would see if the database were opened in
runtime
mode,
with
the database window hidden and no startup form set. When
you
"click
on
the
program icon," is this icon a shortcut, by chance? And is
the
other
PC
opening this MDE database from a shortcut, as well? The use
of
shortcuts
would help explain the differences you now see that weren't
evident
a
week
ago. Something has changed in the last week that has
changed
one
PC,
but
not the other, most likely a shortcut or the Access
application
defaults.
Have you installed or uninstalled any software on the
problem
computer
in
the last week?

HTH.

Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips.

(Please remove ZERO_SPAM from my reply E-mail address, so
that a
message
will be forwarded to me.)


"LouisianaLinda"
wrote in
message
...
Have an Access 97 MDE linked to an MDB. MDE opened
correctly
7
days
ago.
Now when we click on the program icon we get a program
screen
with
no
forms
or menus.

We can open the same MDE from another PC that is mapped
into
this
pc
with
no
problems. We just cannot open it from the resident PC

Any suggestions?