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#22
January 18th, 2007, 10:58 AM
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What about Crash Recovery - as that is what it really is?!
Roy "Beth Melton" wrote: The option was called AutoSave at one point then it was changed to "Save AutoRecover information". Do you have a suggestion that could help make it more clear? Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! To think for years I have been relying on this - to no avail. Ignorance is NOT (now) bliss!!! Why don't Microsoft make this clearer? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy 
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#23
January 18th, 2007, 11:01 AM
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Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#24
January 18th, 2007, 03:22 PM
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It doesn't need 'fixing'. In Word 2003 (the most stable Word version so far)
it works quite effectively, but it is not foolproof. With your very short save time, it is quite likely that a crash would occur during a save operation and nothing would save you from that sort of data loss. Change it to 10 or 15 minutes. If you don't wipe up the mess after a crash you make further problems even more likely http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm No such measure negates the requirement to save your work often - yet we hear of people who have kept documents open for days without ever saving, then wonder why they have lost their work. The link to my web site referred to by others will post a solution that will force a save if you want, but I think you will quickly find it very irritating, just as a one minute autorecovery option would certainly interfere with my work flow. Get into the habit of using CTRL+S ever time you stop for thought. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org roybaylis wrote: Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#25
January 18th, 2007, 05:40 PM
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I stand by my statement. I think it is important to make users realize that
*they* are responsible for saving their work. Do you have the same expectations about the rest of your life, that "someone else" should protect you from the consequences of, say, paying your utility bill or insurance premium or filing your income tax return or brushing your teeth or buying the food you need for tomorrow or washing your dirty clothes or...? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#26
January 18th, 2007, 06:21 PM
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Thanks Graham - points taken and duly noted. I will change the time to 5
minutes, as a compromise! BUT I still think that, if the pople I know are anything like average, this has been and remains an ongoing issue - which could (and should) be fixed. Why not?!! "Graham Mayor" wrote: It doesn't need 'fixing'. In Word 2003 (the most stable Word version so far) it works quite effectively, but it is not foolproof. With your very short save time, it is quite likely that a crash would occur during a save operation and nothing would save you from that sort of data loss. Change it to 10 or 15 minutes. If you don't wipe up the mess after a crash you make further problems even more likely http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm No such measure negates the requirement to save your work often - yet we hear of people who have kept documents open for days without ever saving, then wonder why they have lost their work. The link to my web site referred to by others will post a solution that will force a save if you want, but I think you will quickly find it very irritating, just as a one minute autorecovery option would certainly interfere with my work flow. Get into the habit of using CTRL+S ever time you stop for thought. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org roybaylis wrote: Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#27
January 18th, 2007, 06:24 PM
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Dear Suzanne
That is an unreal comparison. When I BUY something, I expect it to work as well as possible and, if there is a known problem, for the manufacturer to fix it. if not, I simply buy another product! Why do you avoid the realissue - it is a problem for loads of people, has been for ages, and should be fixed. Why not?!!! Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I stand by my statement. I think it is important to make users realize that *they* are responsible for saving their work. Do you have the same expectations about the rest of your life, that "someone else" should protect you from the consequences of, say, paying your utility bill or insurance premium or filing your income tax return or brushing your teeth or buying the food you need for tomorrow or washing your dirty clothes or...? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#28
January 18th, 2007, 06:25 PM
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The more I think about your response, the angrier it makes me. It is so
patronising, so unhelpful and even arrogant. If that attitude is how Microsoft sees such issues, the end is nigh. Customers don't have to do what theyr'e told - it is the 21st century! Peace. Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I stand by my statement. I think it is important to make users realize that *they* are responsible for saving their work. Do you have the same expectations about the rest of your life, that "someone else" should protect you from the consequences of, say, paying your utility bill or insurance premium or filing your income tax return or brushing your teeth or buying the food you need for tomorrow or washing your dirty clothes or...? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#29
January 18th, 2007, 07:12 PM
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But when you buy a product and use it contrary to the operating
instructions, what are your expectations? If you never changed the oil in your car (or filled it with gas), would you still expect it to run properly? I don't believe Microsoft has given you any reason to expect that your documents would be saved automatically. This would not happen in any other application (except for a few such as Microsoft Money, where every entry is saved as you enter it). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne That is an unreal comparison. When I BUY something, I expect it to work as well as possible and, if there is a known problem, for the manufacturer to fix it. if not, I simply buy another product! Why do you avoid the realissue - it is a problem for loads of people, has been for ages, and should be fixed. Why not?!!! Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I stand by my statement. I think it is important to make users realize that *they* are responsible for saving their work. Do you have the same expectations about the rest of your life, that "someone else" should protect you from the consequences of, say, paying your utility bill or insurance premium or filing your income tax return or brushing your teeth or buying the food you need for tomorrow or washing your dirty clothes or...? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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#30
January 18th, 2007, 07:13 PM
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My attitude has nothing to do with "how Microsoft sees such issues." I do
not work for Microsoft and am not responsible for their attitude, nor they for mine. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... The more I think about your response, the angrier it makes me. It is so patronising, so unhelpful and even arrogant. If that attitude is how Microsoft sees such issues, the end is nigh. Customers don't have to do what theyr'e told - it is the 21st century! Peace. Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I stand by my statement. I think it is important to make users realize that *they* are responsible for saving their work. Do you have the same expectations about the rest of your life, that "someone else" should protect you from the consequences of, say, paying your utility bill or insurance premium or filing your income tax return or brushing your teeth or buying the food you need for tomorrow or washing your dirty clothes or...? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... Dear Suzanne I think your comment "none of the options will protect you from your own imprudence, laziness, or folly!" is both unhelpful and misses the main point. This software is used so often by so many and it seems most of us have been caught by this happening at one time or another. Why on earth not fix it?! Isn't "user-friendly" part of the plan? Wouldn't that be a wINwIN SOLUTION?! Thanks Roy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There is no "autosave" in Word. See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "roybaylis" wrote in message ... I have recently lost some Word docs, despite having autosave set to 1 minute. Journal was switched off, so no joy there. Any ideas?! Thanks a million. Roy
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