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HT wrote:
There are other choices, Corel Wordperfect, Firefox, Safari, Lotus Notes.. Is there a point in here? Yes. For some reason, it seems that most organisations have gone for MS Office. Why, I'm not quite sure......so that's why most people don't have a choice. Private individuals certainly have a choice, but I should think they are far outnumbered by those who use Office at work. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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Hi Amedee,
OTOH, Gentoo has this system of USE-flags. Got a feature you don't need? Don't use it! Need it later? Activate the flag and recompile! Like this: app-office/msoffice -VBA -WIZARD -SPELL In theory, this would compile MS Office without VBA, that bloddy stoopid paperclip, and spellling checker. (find the joke) Control Panel/Add-Remove Softare. Choose Office from the list. Click Change. Find the options you want to enable/disable and set "Run from my computer" or "Unavailable". OK. Comes to about the same amount of work, I imagine... Of course, MS Office is NOT Open Source That's right, it's not. Advantages and disadvantages. Advantages? Someone in this thread mentioned they couldn't understand why so many companies choose/chose the MS product over others on the market. One reason is standardization (definitely NOT provided by open source). IT departments want to have *control* over what's installed, and when people call in with problems, have an idea what it could be. When Open Source involved, that's more of an issue. As is having some assurance that the source of the program will still be around in a few years. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Then my choices are work here with MSOffice or work someplace else.
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Greg wrote:
Then my choices are work here with MSOffice or work someplace else. There are always choices. That's not really the point though is it? My thoughts were *why* Office has become so widespread. Take the comparison between Office and Smartsuite. I find (as an Advanced Excel user) that there are some things that Excel does which 123 doesn't, and there are some things that 123 does that Excel doesn't. (The ability to email PART of a worksheet directly from that worksheet springs to mind). I find Outlook is exceptionally good in the corporate environment. Smartsuite doesn't have an email client - perhaps that may be one of the reasons why office is used rather than Smartsuite? I don't know. I also find that Word is one of the most infuriating and illogical WP applications I have ever used! Yes it's very clever if you need to produce fancy formatting and graphic documents - most users just need to write letters and memos, and for that Word is far to complex and complicated and does some of the most irritating things imaginable. Example. You want to indent the first line of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of the line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph! And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to where it was in the first place. A real waste of time. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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Example. You want to indent the first line
: of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of the : line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph! : And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to where : it was in the first place. A real waste of time. Gordon What you have described above is NOT normal: it is because Normal Style has been set to automatically update. If you use Format, Style and select Normal, you will see an Automatically Update check box that should be cleared. What you say about just writting letters and memos is also nonsense. Just writing a letter more than a couple of times means that you are constantly typing in your address, entering the current date and a signature block, etc. All these repetitive actions are wasting your precious time. Spend just five minutes creating a personailised letter template and reap the rewards: you will never have to add your address or the current date again. Take some time and learn to use Word's powerful features: it will save you loads of repetetive work and make your output consistent, error free and faster. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ |
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TF wrote:
Example. You want to indent the first line : of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of the : line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph! : And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to where : it was in the first place. A real waste of time. Gordon What you have described above is NOT normal: it is because Normal Style has been set to automatically update. If you use Format, Style and select Normal, you will see an Automatically Update check box that should be cleared. But that's just my point - that is the the *DEFAULT* setting - unless you "undo" it, that's how Word is installed. At least with Office XP. You shouldn't have to "undo" a function that isn't needed and causes a lot of irritation - those who DO need it should be able to enable it, not the other way around. What you say about just writting letters and memos is also nonsense. Just writing a letter more than a couple of times means that you are constantly typing in your address, entering the current date and a signature block, etc. All these repetitive actions are wasting your precious time. Spend just five minutes creating a personailised letter template and reap the rewards: you will never have to add your address or the current date again. Take some time and learn to use Word's powerful features: it will save you loads of repetetive work and make your output consistent, error free and faster. Don't quite know where you got that lot from in my post :-) - I can't see any mention of that! Of *course* I use templates etc,and have done in all the WP apps I've ever used, my point was that Word does some very illogical and unintuitive things which other WP apps do NOT - and the "average" user (and by that I *don't* mean secretaries, I mean those people to whom Word is not something that they use sufficiently frequently to warrant advanced training in all it's functions) finds these blips frustrating. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
Closed source software does NOT give you any assurance that the source will be around when the company that developed it goes out of business. In fact it's happened with MS - the Outlook 2003 pst file format is NOT backwards compatible! -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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If an SME buys a server with open source OS (Linux), when something doesn't
work as expected, who is going to fix it? Who is going to patch the security holes when they are discovered? Who is going to sort out the incompatibilities? OTOH, if an SME buys a standard Microsoft solution, they know how long it will supported by Microsoft and they know which products are compatible and who will sort out the problems. Buy a server from IBM and they will tell you the server is Linux compatible: they will not sell you a server with Linux: but they will introduce you to a company that will provide Linux. HP and Dell are the same: they let a third party sell the Linux. But they all provide - and will support - an MS Windows based server. I work for a company that provides IT management and support for SMEs and I can absolutely guarantee you that the company with 200 users spread over several sites using a standard MS solution will spend a fraction on support than a similar company that has splashed out on Linux, Novell, Notes and other non-standard solutions. It is the cost of supporting these systems that far out-strips the initial purchase cost. Open Source provides absolutely no benefit to the average company: all they want is the IT to support their work with minimum of interruption. A standard solution provides just that. Terry Farrell "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... : Cindy M -WordMVP- shared this with us in : microsoft.public.word.newusers: : : Hi Amedee, : : Of course, MS Office is NOT Open Source : : That's right, it's not. Advantages and disadvantages. Advantages? : Someone in this thread mentioned they couldn't understand why so many : companies choose/chose the MS product over others on the market. One : reason is standardization (definitely NOT provided by open source). : : May I mention LSB here? : http://www.linuxbase.org/ : : IT departments want to have control over what's installed, and when : people call in with problems, have an idea what it could be. When : Open Source involved, that's more of an issue. : : You have a point there, however one might argue that some non-MS : systems give IT departments even more control and standardization. It : all depends how well it is implemented. I'm sure you'll agree on the : implementation argument. : : As is having some assurance that the source of the program will still : be around in a few years. : : I do not agree. (or: I don't understand your point of view) : : Closed source software does NOT give you any assurance that the source : will be around when the company that developed it goes out of business. : I can name you dozens of excellent closed source programs that are lost : for humanity forever, because the makers stopped. : I know about escrow services, but these can be quite expensive, and the : escrow system only works if you registered the software before Bad : Things Happened. : : Open Source software OTOH will always be available as source - why, : that's the very definition of Open Source. Your opinion seems to differ : so could you please explain? : : : -- : Amedee Van Gasse using XanaNews 1.17.1.2 : If it has an "X" in the name, it must be Linux? : Please don't thank me in advance. Thank me afterwards if it works or : hit me in the face if it doesn't. ;-) |
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TF wrote:
I work for a company that provides IT management and support for SMEs and I can absolutely guarantee you that the company with 200 users spread over several sites using a standard MS solution will spend a fraction on support than a similar company that has splashed out on Linux, Novell, Notes and other non-standard solutions. Umm I wouldn't call Novell and Notes a "non-standard solution"!!! there are still a VERY large number of organisations using both. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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I've been using Word for so long that of course I've customized it a good
bit, but whenever I get a new computer, I start from scratch with a clean copy of Office, and I don't believe that indenting when you press Tab is the default setting. If it were, why would we have so many questions in these NGs asking how to get Word to do it? It would be easy enough to check this by starting Word with the /a switch, and I'll do that when I get time. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Gordon" wrote in message ... Greg wrote: Then my choices are work here with MSOffice or work someplace else. There are always choices. That's not really the point though is it? My thoughts were *why* Office has become so widespread. Take the comparison between Office and Smartsuite. I find (as an Advanced Excel user) that there are some things that Excel does which 123 doesn't, and there are some things that 123 does that Excel doesn't. (The ability to email PART of a worksheet directly from that worksheet springs to mind). I find Outlook is exceptionally good in the corporate environment. Smartsuite doesn't have an email client - perhaps that may be one of the reasons why office is used rather than Smartsuite? I don't know. I also find that Word is one of the most infuriating and illogical WP applications I have ever used! Yes it's very clever if you need to produce fancy formatting and graphic documents - most users just need to write letters and memos, and for that Word is far to complex and complicated and does some of the most irritating things imaginable. Example. You want to indent the first line of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of the line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph! And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to where it was in the first place. A real waste of time. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and counting!) gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk to email me remove the obvious! |
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