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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
Actually, the genesis of the idea came from "Calvin's List". It's a long
story, but Calvin was a well-known programmer in the Foxpro community. He later joined MSFT and became the lead developer on Visual Foxpro. He is now working on VB.NET. Dan E McElroy wrote: I'm truly amazed! Tell me at least that the idea came out of the office of an Engineering Vice President who spends a lot of time in meetings with Marketing and I'll buy you a lobster lunch the next time you're in the Boston area. E McElroy "Dan Freeman" wrote: E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. Ding! Ding! Ding! The MVP program originated in the Developer Division. It resides in Customer Service and Support these days. Dan |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information.
Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
At TechEd in 1997, one of the evening events divided the hall into four
quadrants, each with a specialization and each with "cuisine" all its own. The Office quadrant got sushi. The Back Office quadrant got an elaborate Italian buffet. What did developers get? WHITE CASTLE! g Dan E McElroy wrote: I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information. Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
Personally I would rather go hungry than eat anything from McDonalds I
also do what I do in spite of Microsoft rather than because of them. I suspect the company gets far more out of the program than it puts into it. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org E McElroy wrote: I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information. Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Hi DCH:
I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier!
I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the Print Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background; I pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that the font color is set to Automatic which is black. What do I have to change in my sequence of steps? Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray than it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot.... Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
Sorry, that should have been Page Layout tab, not Print Layout. (Too many
"Layouts"!) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier! I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background; I pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that the font color is set to Automatic which is black. What do I have to change in my sequence of steps? Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray than it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot.... Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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