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  #21  
Old August 31st, 2007, 10:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Jay Freedman
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Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is
within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in
which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted
vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice,
usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their
selection.

While we do have some communication with the product developers, our
input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a
great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy.

When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual
source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement
Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx).
Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a
phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately,
a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to
minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes
the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should
be fairly trustworthy.

I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The
white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the
"WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter
egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons).
That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any
reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage
enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy
wrote:

Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I
used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost
certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for
you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for
instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers?
I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with
Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft
and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance,
how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a
great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all
saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise
have to hire.

I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature
might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because
of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that
themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work
required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH
appear to have been short-changed in the process.

E McElroy

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And
marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the
product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the
reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard
this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought
it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up
there.

I did find
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true,
which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just
says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy
versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of
accommodating WP migrants?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing
department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such

as
this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of

a
survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible

it
was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an
oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some
things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes

where
important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0

was
a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite

of
Word.)

All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the

feature
is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who
need or want it.

E McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is

sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word

2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me

how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH



  #22  
Old August 31st, 2007, 11:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Dan Freeman
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Posts: 212
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Actually, the genesis of the idea came from "Calvin's List". It's a long
story, but Calvin was a well-known programmer in the Foxpro community. He
later joined MSFT and became the lead developer on Visual Foxpro. He is now
working on VB.NET.

Dan

E McElroy wrote:
I'm truly amazed! Tell me at least that the idea came out of the
office of an Engineering Vice President who spends a lot of time in
meetings with Marketing and I'll buy you a lobster lunch the next
time you're in the Boston area.

E McElroy

"Dan Freeman" wrote:

E McElroy wrote:
Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast
as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing
department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well
run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you
might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the
MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing
to be persuaded.


Ding! Ding! Ding!

The MVP program originated in the Developer Division. It resides in
Customer Service and Support these days.

Dan



  #23  
Old August 31st, 2007, 11:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information.
Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is
that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at
McDonald's anyway.

I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly
been elightening for me and I'm sure for others.

Thank you very much for the input.

Ed McElroy

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is
within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in
which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted
vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice,
usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their
selection.

While we do have some communication with the product developers, our
input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a
great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy.

When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual
source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement
Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx).
Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a
phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately,
a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to
minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes
the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should
be fairly trustworthy.

I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The
white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the
"WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter
egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons).
That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any
reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage
enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy
wrote:

Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I
used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost
certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for
you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for
instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers?
I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with
Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft
and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance,
how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a
great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all
saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise
have to hire.

I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature
might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because
of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that
themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work
required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH
appear to have been short-changed in the process.

E McElroy

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And
marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the
product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the
reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard
this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought
it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up
there.

I did find
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true,
which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just
says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy
versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of
accommodating WP migrants?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing
department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such
as
this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of
a
survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible
it
was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an
oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some
things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes
where
important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0
was
a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite
of
Word.)

All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the
feature
is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who
need or want it.

E McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word
2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me
how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH



  #24  
Old September 1st, 2007, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Dan Freeman
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Posts: 212
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

At TechEd in 1997, one of the evening events divided the hall into four
quadrants, each with a specialization and each with "cuisine" all its own.

The Office quadrant got sushi. The Back Office quadrant got an elaborate
Italian buffet. What did developers get? WHITE CASTLE! g

Dan

E McElroy wrote:
I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information.
Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my
guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who
eat at McDonald's anyway.

I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has
certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others.

Thank you very much for the input.

Ed McElroy

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is
within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in
which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted
vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice,
usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their
selection.

While we do have some communication with the product developers, our
input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of
a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy.

When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual
source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement
Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx).
Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a
phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use.
Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it
off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security
concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the
relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy.

I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The
white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the
"WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter
egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons).
That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see
any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or
outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on
the horizon.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy
wrote:

Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as
fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's
Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists
and may well run more interference for you in the corporate
bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance,
initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers?
I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing
wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very
valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware
of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend
OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing
support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr.
Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise
have to hire.

I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions,
this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the
current version because of themes and other features. I noticed
when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their
own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not
justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear
to have been short-changed in the process.

E McElroy

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us
evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to
the developers of the product and have some input into the product
design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped
was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva
voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was
in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up
there.

I did find
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true,
which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT,
it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word
to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used."
Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's
Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on
major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the
feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they
specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature
they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an
oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major
changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some
famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply
forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous
proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.)

All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that
the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor
release for those who need or want it.

E McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word
2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007
and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office
2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH



  #25  
Old September 1st, 2007, 06:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Graham Mayor
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Posts: 18,297
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Personally I would rather go hungry than eat anything from McDonalds I
also do what I do in spite of Microsoft rather than because of them. I
suspect the company gets far more out of the program than it puts into it.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


E McElroy wrote:
I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information.
Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my
guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who
eat at McDonald's anyway.

I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has
certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others.

Thank you very much for the input.

Ed McElroy

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is
within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in
which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted
vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice,
usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their
selection.

While we do have some communication with the product developers, our
input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of
a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy.

When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual
source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement
Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx).
Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a
phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use.
Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it
off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security
concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the
relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy.

I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The
white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the
"WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter
egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons).
That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see
any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or
outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on
the horizon.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy
wrote:

Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as
fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's
Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists
and may well run more interference for you in the corporate
bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance,
initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers?
I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing
wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very
valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware
of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend
OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing
support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr.
Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise
have to hire.

I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions,
this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the
current version because of themes and other features. I noticed
when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their
own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not
justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear
to have been short-changed in the process.

E McElroy

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us
evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to
the developers of the product and have some input into the product
design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped
was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva
voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was
in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up
there.

I did find
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true,
which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT,
it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word
to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used."
Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's
Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on
major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the
feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they
specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature
they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an
oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major
changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some
famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply
forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous
proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.)

All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that
the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor
release for those who need or want it.

E McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word
2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007
and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office
2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH



  #26  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 03:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH

  #27  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 03:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
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Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH



  #28  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 05:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier!

I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the Print
Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing
something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background; I
pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black
text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that the
font color is set to Automatic which is black.

What do I have to change in my sequence of steps?

Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has
resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray than
it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot....

Ed McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH




  #29  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 06:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH




  #30  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 08:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,566
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Sorry, that should have been Page Layout tab, not Print Layout. (Too many
"Layouts"!)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier!

I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the
Print
Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing
something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background;
I
pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black
text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that
the
font color is set to Automatic which is black.

What do I have to change in my sequence of steps?

Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has
resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray
than
it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot....

Ed McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to
hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word
2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me
how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH






 




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