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  #31  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 09:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
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Posts: 2,566
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default
colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page*
Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of
the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too.

Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window
background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as
though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color
was white.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on
the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font
is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to
go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved
at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number
of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to
hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word
2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me
how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH






  #32  
Old September 2nd, 2007, 09:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then the
=rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it
still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic color
must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before typing.

Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles
without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he had
been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting
the page background button on the QA toolbar.

Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting similar
results.

Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was dark
gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change
experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought back
the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only
difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the formula
bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background with
white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before
but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations.

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default
colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page*
Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of
the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too.

Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window
background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as
though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color
was white.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on
the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font
is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to
go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved
at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number
of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to
hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word
2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me
how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH






  #33  
Old September 3rd, 2007, 12:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,566
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is
the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties.

All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is
set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the
Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to
automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles.

Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by
default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having
difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font
group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color
palette.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then
the
=rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it
still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic
color
must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before
typing.

Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles
without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he
had
been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting
the page background button on the QA toolbar.

Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting
similar
results.

Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was
dark
gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change
experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought
back
the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only
difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the
formula
bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background
with
white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before
but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations.

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't
using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default
colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page*
Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care
of
the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch
too.

Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window
background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as
though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font
color
was white.


"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on
the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the
font
is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but
if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on
everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn
the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using
the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the
selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro
to
go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks
involved
at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the
number
of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap
the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when
you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color
that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here
are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge
of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and
came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles
(those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document),
and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also
white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That
isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors.
Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This
is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter
since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a
fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that
changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not
permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to
do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways
to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time
and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported
by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which
enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since
some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should
also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style
Dim CurDoc As Document

Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument

For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1
Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex)
If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then
CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite
CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite
End If
Next
End Sub

Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment:

1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit.
2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select
the
color.
3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the
initial
colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the
initial
colors back.

If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to
hear
what your results are.

Ed McElroy

"DCH" wrote:

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007
is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install
Word
2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell
me
how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH








  #34  
Old September 3rd, 2007, 01:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Thanks. Let me cover these individually and see where I'm at:

1. My window text system color is currently set to black.

2. By "setting the Automatic Font Color" I meant setting the color with the
font button. I see after a redisplay that the Automatic Font Color stays at
black and my description is an abuse of the language.

3. From what you said, making "...sure that the font color in the Word
document is
set to Automatic" is simply a matter of showing the Font button pallette and
clicking on the color box beside the word "Automatic".

Well, I did another experiment, first clicking on the Automatic color box;
then I did =rand() and got some text; and then I set the page background.
With a blue background, the font stayed black but I decided to run over the
other colors in a preview and interestingly enough, when the page background
color is black or near black, the font changed color to white. My initial
hunch is that black font on a blue background is considered readably distinct
(by whatever algorithm the code uses) and therefore there is no font switch.
Hunch two is that you may be getting a change on a blue background because
your system color text font is not black but blue.

I'll try changing my system text color and get back to you.

Ed McElroy

Beth Melton" wrote:

You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is
the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties.

All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is
set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the
Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to
automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles.

Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by
default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having
difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font
group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color
palette.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then
the
=rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it
still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic
color
must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before
typing.

Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles
without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he
had
been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting
the page background button on the QA toolbar.

Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting
similar
results.

Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was
dark
gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change
experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought
back
the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only
difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the
formula
bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background
with
white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before
but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations.

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't
using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default
colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page*
Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care
of
the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch
too.

Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window
background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as
though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font
color
was white.


"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on
the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the
font
is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but
if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on
everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn
the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using
the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the
selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro
to
go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks
involved
at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the
number
of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap
the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when
you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color
that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here
are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge
of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and
came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles
(those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document),
and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also
white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That
isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors.
Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This
is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter
since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a
fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that
changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not
permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to
do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways
to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time
and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported
by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which
enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since
some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should
also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style

  #35  
Old September 3rd, 2007, 01:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
E McElroy[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I changed the font color of window text to be a darkish blue and tried
another experiment. I made sure to click the Automatic color box in the Font
button palette before proceeding. Again there was no change in font color on
the bright blue background that I've been using (I use the bright blue in the
row of standard colors). However, going to a dark blue background or black
background, the font changed to white.

Using that very handy preview feature to check out the various backgrounds,
it apparently is not so much the similarity between the font color and the
background color which triggers the change since I had background colors
which were a close match to the font color but there was no change and the
font was barely readable. However, on that last row of very dark background
colors, the font changed readily to white on several of them.

In the standard styles that display with a new document, the majority seem
to have a specific color specified and there was no change in that color. The
Intense Emphasis style is still red, for example, and the Title font color
was very close to the dark blue background it was on but Word didn't change
it. But those fonts, and there were several, that didn't have a specific
color specified all came out white.

I don't know if DCH was looking for all white fonts or whether he was happy
with having some of the fonts retain their original color. Of course, any
particular color can always be changed.

Something tells me that I learned more than anyone else on this particular
thread. The automatic color information you provided was informative and
interesting.

Thanks very much for the input.

Ed McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is
the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties.

All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is
set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the
Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to
automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles.

Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by
default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having
difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font
group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color
palette.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then
the
=rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it
still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic
color
must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before
typing.

Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles
without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he
had
been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting
the page background button on the QA toolbar.

Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting
similar
results.

Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was
dark
gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change
experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought
back
the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only
difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the
formula
bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background
with
white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before
but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations.

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't
using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default
colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page*
Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care
of
the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch
too.

Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window
background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as
though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font
color
was white.


"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on
the
Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color
button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the
font
is
white.

Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but
if
they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same
location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on
everyone
else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white.

Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will.
Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn
the
fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or
others because they want to see white font as they type.

Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using
the
Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box.

Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the
selection
shading is still dark gray.

Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro
to
go
against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks
involved
at
least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the
number
of
mouse clicks?

E McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the
Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color?

If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap
the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when
you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color
that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
Hi DCH:

I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the
problems
of
trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here
are
my
thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge
of
Word
2007:

CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS:
=========================
I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and
came
up
with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed
below).
After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles
(those
displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document),
and
the
text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art"
diagrams
(where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also
white.

As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course,
there
are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in
Word
(I'm
far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also
objects
that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That
isn't
part
of
the code but can be added.

CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT:
=================================
I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors.
Can
it
be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document
when
a
selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This
is
doable
with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter
since
there
are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting
appropriate
for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a
fair
amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that
changes
to
the
document as part of the selection highlight process are not
permanent
if
there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of
detail
but,
while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to
do
it
properly, not only in code development but especially in testing.

CONCLUSION:
===========
Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways
to
try
to
solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were
possible
to
get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time
and
carry
some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite
possibly
the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word
2003.
It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported
by
MS
and will work without surprises.

CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE:
=========================================
For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which
enumerates
the
styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles,
only a
small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular
style,
the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side
effect:
it
added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles.
Hence,
there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style
comes
into play or what the implication is of not setting its color.

I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since
some
of
the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the
ColorIndex
property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI,
which
I
did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates
that
it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should
also
be
set.

Here is the macro:

Sub WhiteFont()
Dim CurStyle As Style

  #36  
Old September 3rd, 2007, 04:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Beth Melton
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Posts: 2,566
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

I'm glad you got it figured out. :-) Yes, if you were trying to use a light
blue then the colors wouldn't swap. As previously noted, you need use a dark
color. Regarding your styles, yes, if you have defined a color other than
Automatic then it will stay that color.

Now there is another way to do this using Style Sets, one could create a
Style Set to be used for a dark background and one for a light background
and then simply swap them as needed. But this one is a little more involved.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"E McElroy" wrote in message
news
I changed the font color of window text to be a darkish blue and tried
another experiment. I made sure to click the Automatic color box in the
Font
button palette before proceeding. Again there was no change in font color
on
the bright blue background that I've been using (I use the bright blue in
the
row of standard colors). However, going to a dark blue background or black
background, the font changed to white.

Using that very handy preview feature to check out the various
backgrounds,
it apparently is not so much the similarity between the font color and the
background color which triggers the change since I had background colors
which were a close match to the font color but there was no change and the
font was barely readable. However, on that last row of very dark
background
colors, the font changed readily to white on several of them.

In the standard styles that display with a new document, the majority seem
to have a specific color specified and there was no change in that color.
The
Intense Emphasis style is still red, for example, and the Title font color
was very close to the dark blue background it was on but Word didn't
change
it. But those fonts, and there were several, that didn't have a specific
color specified all came out white.

I don't know if DCH was looking for all white fonts or whether he was
happy
with having some of the fonts retain their original color. Of course, any
particular color can always be changed.

Something tells me that I learned more than anyone else on this particular
thread. The automatic color information you provided was informative and
interesting.

Thanks very much for the input.

Ed McElroy

"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically
swap
the
darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors
when
you
print since the page color isn't automatically printed.

To try this:
- Create a new document
- On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should
provide
you
with some dummy text)
- On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark
color.
Live
Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a
color
that
is
dark enough.
- Select the color and then switch to Print Preview



  #37  
Old October 5th, 2007, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
QOwens
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Posts: 1
Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?

Or you can always use the "Print entire document" feature on your printer. If
it's a color printer, It will print out the background as well. Just check
out print preview BEFORE you print.

"E McElroy" wrote:

That's interesting, something I would never know with my non-color printer.
Of course, it may be that the blue background is intended only for display
purposes and is not the intended color of a printout. If it is intended for a
printout, in addition to the clever work-around you proposed, changing the
font colors to a bright yellow prior to printing and then back again to white
afterwards might be a reasonable substitute (yellow on blue was a favorite
back in the DOS era).

A macro would seem to be required to accomplish the font color changes
quickly. No one appears to be volunteering to write one in VBA although it
looks pretty straightforward to do so. If there no volunteers in another few
days, I will check out a VBA book and code one up (after coding it in C# or
C++ to make sure it works!).

E McElroy

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you use blue paper, you will still get an apparently blank page. Word can
print "white" text only by knocking it out of a colored background (unless
you have a printer in which you can substitute a white cartridge for the
black one and use "Auto" font color).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"E McElroy" wrote in message
...
When I do a print preview, I get a white sheet which indicates that the

white
font is being preserved but not the blue background. Since I do mostly
programming, I don't have a color printer so I was uncertain whether this

was
a limitation caused by my printer. Since you brought this up, however, I
would guess that you must be seeing a similar result on your print

preview.

Well, it's easy enough to check for someone with a color printer but

whether
the blue background is preserved or not, my guess is that it's more
economical to purchase blue paper than to color white sheets blue with a
printer.

E McElroy

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions?


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


DCH wrote:
Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy.
Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though
not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the
Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page
Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes
up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new
blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live
with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the
"Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or
black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue
background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other
color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would
be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible
to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time
and help McElroy.

DCH


"E McElroy" wrote:

There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007
by using the following recipe:

1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page
Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background.

2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a
word of text.

3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu.

4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down
list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white.

5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose
Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu.

6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This
displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box.

7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the
name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the
text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1".

You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have
white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6.

You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of
font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font
version of it or change it to use white font. However, most
documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time
you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal
template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal
template file and simply change all the styles to use white font.

Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial
tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique.

Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the
system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in
2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the
implementation of system color and font settings was to help people
with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth
exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious.

E McElroy

The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007
is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and
re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And
if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH





  #38  
Old December 8th, 2009, 12:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
CJB
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Default Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?



"DCH" wrote:

Regarding "You REALLY should MOVE on..." This is the second such reply I've
received (the first to a similar question). Let me just say that not every
one enjoys the healthy eyesight you obviously enjoy.

--
DCH


"Summer" wrote:

You REALLY should MOVE on - the same way research does!

Regardless you can run both versions 2003/2007 - you can make 2003 the
default Word program to open also.

"DCH" wrote in message
...
The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is
sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003
while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how?

Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have,

DCH




 




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