Top posting in MS Newsgroups

As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more
convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains
how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm
Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and your
replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



grammatim wrote:
Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments;
google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the
only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting.

On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated
discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought
better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham
mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult
for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are
following it actively, it is far more efficient.

Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to
read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't
seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact
that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material
(blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part
of the previous message.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

"Paul" wrote in message

...



I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse
of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's
acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok
over and out.

Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also
that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a
solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway
(though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and
occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I
see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either).

Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change
my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I
realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was
looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer
recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll
see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
For starters it has its own proofing tools. That was a big plus in my
book. I was copy/pasting to Word when necessary. I held out on installing
third-party proofing tools until Microsoft provided an alternative for
Windows XP users. Part of it, of course, was sheer stubbornness but it
also kept the issue fresh in my mind so I could mention it every chance I
got. ;-)

It also has many of the webnews features, such as the ratings, voting, etc
so you can log on and see them if you want. I was using them until it kept
eating my posts. Very frustrating to discover several days worth of posts
missing!

The Reading Pane can be displayed on the right like Outlook. I scroll a
lot less now, especially for the bottom postings. There's a few other new
features but I don't use any of them for the newsgroups.

And, of course, it appears it quotes replies property.

The one thing I don't like is my munged Reply To email address isn't used
on posts, as it is in OE, but I resolved that by using a munged email
address instead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
What does it have that OE doesn't have?


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Then maybe it's time to make the switch to Windows Live Mail. g,d &r
Seriously though, you can install it on Windows XP and provided you
don't use the WebNews options (mainly due to the issue of posts getting
eaten) it's almost identical to OE.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
My settings are identical to yours. Note below that there are the same
number of in grammatim's reply to my post and my reply to him.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
It quotes correctly for me if I reply to grammatim. I'm using Windows
Live Mail but it shouldn't be different from Outlook Express. What do
you have set for your News Sending Options under Tools/Options/Send? I
have: Plain Text and for Plain Text Settings: MIME, Encode using
"None", wrap at 76, and the Indent Original text with "" option
selected.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
No, I use Outlook Express, and all other replies are quoted
correctly; yours (and perhaps others from Google Groups) are the
exception.

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
That must be something going on at your end, because I get the 's
(the correct number of them) whenever I do Reply. Have you tried
google groups?

On Feb 18, 12:33 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:
Worse still, when I reply to one of your messages, the quoted text
isn't
indicated by , so it's not practical to reply "inline."

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also
that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a
solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE,
anyway (though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed,
and occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change
unless I see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight,
either).

I've noted your resistance. That's why I was teasing you about making the
switch. ;-)

Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change
my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I
realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was
looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer
recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll
see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g).

LOL if something happens I'll shoulder the blame and help you out with it.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more
convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link explains
how to do that for Outlook Express - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm
Not only is it infinitely faster than the web portals but the posts and
your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what you think.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



grammatim wrote:
Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments;
google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is the
only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting.

On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated
discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought
better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham
mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more difficult
for people who come to the thread late, but for those who are
following it actively, it is far more efficient.

Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to
read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't
seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact
that the poster added his message within the area of quoted material
(blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear to be part
of the previous message.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

"Paul" wrote in message

...



I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse
of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's
acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was netiquette...ok
over and out.

Ok, here's something to try Replying to.

(As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).)

On Feb 19, 9:07*am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also
that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a
solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE, anyway
(though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and
occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I
see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either)..

Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change
my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I
realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was
looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer
recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll
see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g).

"grammatim" wrote in message
...

(As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).)

If you are referring to using it for email, I don't either. :-) I use
Outlook. You can add the ability to post to the newsgroups within Outlook
without the need to actually set it up for sending/receiving email. All you
need to do is add the News button, found in the Go category of the Customize
dialog box. Of course if you don't use Outlook then this isn't applicable.

I don't think I could use Google Groups for the newsgroups. There's no need
to view "pages" of posts in OE or Windows Live Mail, you can easily set your
view to "Show replies to my messages", mark threads for watching, and most
important to me, it keeps track of what you've read and not read. But I
guess which one works the best is more a matter of what you get used to. :-)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

But grammatim has previously stated his preference for Google Groups as a
means of reading widely across Usenet; although he could connect directly to
msnews, I believe his ISP doesn't offer a news server on which he could read
the other groups, so he prefers to read them all in the same interface.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
"grammatim" wrote in message
...

(As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).)

If you are referring to using it for email, I don't either. :-) I use
Outlook. You can add the ability to post to the newsgroups within Outlook
without the need to actually set it up for sending/receiving email. All
you need to do is add the News button, found in the Go category of the
Customize dialog box. Of course if you don't use Outlook then this isn't
applicable.

I don't think I could use Google Groups for the newsgroups. There's no
need to view "pages" of posts in OE or Windows Live Mail, you can easily
set your view to "Show replies to my messages", mark threads for watching,
and most important to me, it keeps track of what you've read and not read.
But I guess which one works the best is more a matter of what you get used
to. :-)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

Nope, still not quoting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
Ok, here's something to try Replying to.

(As for the can of worms, I don't use Outlook (Express).)

On Feb 19, 9:07 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. I have been aware of the webnews features but also
that they are (mostly) broken, so it just keeps seeming like LM is a
solution to a problem I don't have. I don't use proofing tools in OE,
anyway
(though I guess I could, since I still have Office 2003 installed, and
occasionally I realize I should!), and I just resist most change unless I
see an overwhelming reason for it (haven't installed Silverlight, either).

Also, I have a confession: when I went to Tools | Options | Send to change
my mail sending settings temporarily so I could forward an HTML message, I
realized that yesterday when I told you our settings were identical, I was
looking at the mail settings, not news. In fact, for reasons I no longer
recall, I had news set to Uuencode; I've now changed it to MIME, and we'll
see what happens (and if it's something bad, it will be your fault g).

Like all advice he is free to accept or reject it.
You can lead a horse to water .....
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again!


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more
convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link
explains how to do that for Outlook Express -
http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than
the web portals but the posts
and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what
you think. --

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



grammatim wrote:
Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments;
google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is
the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting.

On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:
Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated
discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought
better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham
mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more
difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those
who are following it actively, it is far more efficient.

Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to
read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't
seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact
that the poster added his message within the area of quoted
material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear
to be part of the previous message.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

"Paul" wrote in message

...



I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse
of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's
acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was
netiquette...ok over and out.

OK lets see if this makes it. I had to click on Reply to Group, not reply to
sender....

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Like all advice he is free to accept or reject it.
You can lead a horse to water .....
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Oh, you just had to go opening that can of worms again!


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
As you are now posting regularly to the forum, you may find it more
convenient to access the NNTP server directly. The following link
explains how to do that for Outlook Express -
http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm Not only is it infinitely faster than
the web portals but the posts
and your replies are stored locally. Give it a whirl and see what
you think. --

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



grammatim wrote:
Contrariwise, I have to scroll to the top to read the new comments;
google groups takes one to the bottom of the message, and this is
the only one of the five newsgroups I read that uses top-posting.

On Feb 18, 9:13 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:
Because the issue of top vs. bottom posting can provoke heated
discussion, I started to post something yesterday and then thought
better of it. But I also prefer top-posting for the reasons Graham
mentioned. Yes, it is illogical and does make reading more
difficult for people who come to the thread late, but for those
who are following it actively, it is far more efficient.

Not only do I hate to scroll to the bottom of a long thread only to
read "Thanks!" but occasionally I scroll to the bottom and don't
seem to find any new content; this illusion is caused by the fact
that the poster added his message within the area of quoted
material (blank lines) set off by characters, making it appear
to be part of the previous message.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

"Paul" wrote in message

...



I hate not being able to edit your posts..... I meant the reverse
of what I just posted. I can happily top-post if that's
acceptable...I just figured that bottom-posting was
netiquette...ok over and out.